Thanks for the info.
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Significant Tornado Events
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This feature reminds me of Mayfield. It had a pretty well defined core before entering into town
When it entered into town, it suddenly became very complex and wide multivortex structure.
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locomusic01
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Sorta given up hope of any of it ever turning up, but I still reach out to some of the people who supposedly have them every now and then. Most just don't answer, or if they do it's usually with some kind of excuse. Same thing happened with a few people who had photos (or said they did, at least) from the non-Moore tornadoes on 5/3/99. I dunno why people do that but I've kinda come to expect it at this point.
That actually reminds me though - I did randomly get a message a couple weeks ago from one of the emergency management people in Niles I'd contacted back when I was researching the article. I don't think I replied to him at the time because I wasn't feeling very well so I'll have to make a note of it. From what I understand one of the EM guys had a pretty big collection of photos so I'm hoping either it's him or he knows who it is.
Incidentally, I did come across a couple random pics from the Atlantic tornado recently. Not the tornado itself unfortunately, but IIRC these are from the area around Lake Creek Rd. just north of Cooperstown. I believe one of the cars came from the property of Betty Zinz, who I mentioned briefly in the article. I know at least one vehicle in that area was hurled something like 300 or 400 yards.
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so question to anyone here, any one have the link to the tweet or post or paper that states el reno 2011 would not be rated EF5 today?
and the one paper that talks about the 2 EF4 from that same day that state bridge creek may 1999 would only be rated a 200 mph EF4 today? i wish i could re find them.
and the one paper that talks about the 2 EF4 from that same day that state bridge creek may 1999 would only be rated a 200 mph EF4 today? i wish i could re find them.
joshoctober16
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oh well ty i guess i sort of found it a hour ago but im looking for the presentation of this as i clearly remember seeing a clip of this. but hey thanks anyhow
Western_KS_Wx
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Those Sullivan photos, good lord. I’ve never actually looked into the tornado that much but knew it was probably stronger than its official rating, however I had no clue it was that violent. Glad they’re looking into it again because there’s clearly EF4+ damage in several locations, kind of makes me wonder how they didn’t catch all of that the first time.
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@bowecho7 I picked up on a property located about a quarter mile south of the EF3/160 home DI on IL-1. In the attached video, the property can be seen best at the 19:20-19:25 mark, and again at the 19:47 mark. Photo for reference:
Coordinates: 38°59'47.69"N 87°41'6.92"W
Another property off East 1150th Ave (coordinates: 39° 1'7.62"N 87°37'18.54"W) that got slabbed can be seen at about 13:19 in the video. I don't know what the buildings were (they may have all been outbuildings) but it may be worth checking out.
Coordinates: 38°59'47.69"N 87°41'6.92"W
Another property off East 1150th Ave (coordinates: 39° 1'7.62"N 87°37'18.54"W) that got slabbed can be seen at about 13:19 in the video. I don't know what the buildings were (they may have all been outbuildings) but it may be worth checking out.
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Juliett Bravo Kilo
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They probably did catch them all the first time, they were just pressured to go with a lower rating....
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Sorta given up hope of any of it ever turning up, but I still reach out to some of the people who supposedly have them every now and then. Most just don't answer, or if they do it's usually with some kind of excuse. Same thing happened with a few people who had photos (or said they did, at least) from the non-Moore tornadoes on 5/3/99. I dunno why people do that but I've kinda come to expect it at this point.
That actually reminds me though - I did randomly get a message a couple weeks ago from one of the emergency management people in Niles I'd contacted back when I was researching the article. I don't think I replied to him at the time because I wasn't feeling very well so I'll have to make a note of it. From what I understand one of the EM guys had a pretty big collection of photos so I'm hoping either it's him or he knows who it is.
Incidentally, I did come across a couple random pics from the Atlantic tornado recently. Not the tornado itself unfortunately, but IIRC these are from the area around Lake Creek Rd. just north of Cooperstown. I believe one of the cars came from the property of Betty Zinz, who I mentioned briefly in the article. I know at least one vehicle in that area was hurled something like 300 or 400 yards.
Atlantic, Albion or Kane? Was at least one these taped from a distance? Was it the same one or another one where the multivortex structure of it was visible while touching down?
Also what was the Moshannon photo reputedly like? Was it when the tornado was first touching down or was it when it was fully wedged out while going through the forest areas?
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The last two are just SW of Sullivan
Side note, but I can't tell you how pleasing it is to see NWS mets chime in here and wanting to gather/exchange information about tornado damage that has been documented by the posters in this thread.
22:06 into this video, there's a home that looks to have been completely swept away south of Robinson that I believe was not able to be accessed by survey teams. Off N White Tail Hollow Road.
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Sounds like another Vilonia....
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If I'm not mistaken, the White Tail Hollow home is this one on the DAT, which was given a 165MPH wind speed estimate due to being poorly anchored:
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The fact that someone from NWS Lincoln is actually listening to our critiques of the Robinson survey puts this in a more reasonable tier than Vilonia IMO. To this day NWS Little Rock has taken absolutely no initiative to reanalyze Vilonia, much less upgrade it - and I'd imagine any email sent to them with "Vilonia" or "EF5" in the subject line goes straight to the trash folder.
Ah ok that one was added retroactively, good stuff.If I'm not mistaken, the White Tail Hollow home is this one on the DAT, which was given a 165MPH wind speed estimate due to being poorly anchored:
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Yeah, that was Albion. Richard Bomboy got it on a camera mounted atop a high-gain antenna just after it tore through Jumbo Woods (now State Game Lands 101). It was rather large and intense with a pronounced multivortex structure. The path at that point was just under half a mile wide (marked the location of the antenna/camera from memory so it's prolly not exact):
Re: Moshannon, I'll have to go back and check the woman's messages, but I don't remember her ever saying exactly where the photo was taken or what it looked like. Well, other than it was very big obviously. I think she said her parents took it from the highway (maybe?) which would presumably be either PA 153 near Penfield (where it was transitioning from a half-mile-wide stovepipe to a mile-wide wedge), Quehanna Hwy near the PermaGrain facility (~1.25 miles wide) or PA 144 east of Keating (over 2 miles wide). Quehanna Hwy seems most likely if I'm remembering it right but I dunno.
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Yeah, that was Albion. Richard Bomboy got it on a camera mounted atop a high-gain antenna just after it tore through Jumbo Woods (now State Game Lands 101). It was rather large and intense with a pronounced multivortex structure. The path at that point was just under half a mile wide (marked the location of the antenna/camera from memory so it's prolly not exact):
Re: Moshannon, I'll have to go back and check the woman's messages, but I don't remember her ever saying exactly where the photo was taken or what it looked like. Well, other than it was very big obviously. I think she said her parents took it from the highway (maybe?) which would presumably be either PA 153 near Penfield (where it was transitioning from a half-mile-wide stovepipe to a mile-wide wedge), Quehanna Hwy near the PermaGrain facility (~1.25 miles wide) or PA 144 east of Keating (over 2 miles wide). Quehanna Hwy seems most likely if I'm remembering it right but I dunno.
Was the multivortex structure taken shortly after this? FYI this pic is only accessible if you click on the Jumbo Woods aerial, not in your article itself. Also, I found the guy's obituary; seems like he died over a decade ago so likely this footage he captured is lost to time. Shame.
Re: Moshannon. I'm amazed someone was able to get a pic of it so far out in the boonies (assuming what this woman told you is true) but why they told you they'd give it to you then don't is a mystery. Maybe some staff who work for the forestry department in the areas might have some pics of it but who knows?
I'd love to find color aerials and ground-level views of the forest damage done by Kane, although that's likely a loosing proposition as well.
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His family apparently still has the tape, I just haven't been able to get my hands on it yet. And that's one of a few photos I didn't include in my article because I got conflicting info on them and wasn't able to 100% confirm where or when they were taken. I originally got it from a librarian in Albion and she said it was taken down near the OH/PA border, which is a few miles SW of Jumbo Woods. Another local guy said it was taken just outside of Cranesville. And then I've also seen it labeled as being the long-track F2 that struck near Beaver Center on June 22. The latter may actually be most likely since it closely resembles some of the other photos from that tornado.