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Significant Tornado Events

locomusic01 said:
His family apparently still has the tape, I just haven't been able to get my hands on it yet. And that's one of a few photos I didn't include in my article because I got conflicting info on them and wasn't able to 100% confirm where or when they were taken. I originally got it from a librarian in Albion and she said it was taken down near the OH/PA border, which is a few miles SW of Jumbo Woods. Another local guy said it was taken just outside of Cranesville. And then I've also seen it labeled as being the long-track F2 that struck near Beaver Center on June 22. The latter may actually be most likely since it closely resembles some of the other photos from that tornado.
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Is his family the ones that don't want to convert it the tape? Yeah, that was frustrating to read about.
 
locomusic01 said:
His family apparently still has the tape, I just haven't been able to get my hands on it yet. And that's one of a few photos I didn't include in my article because I got conflicting info on them and wasn't able to 100% confirm where or when they were taken. I originally got it from a librarian in Albion and she said it was taken down near the OH/PA border, which is a few miles SW of Jumbo Woods. Another local guy said it was taken just outside of Cranesville. And then I've also seen it labeled as being the long-track F2 that struck near Beaver Center on June 22. The latter may actually be most likely since it closely resembles some of the other photos from that tornado.
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Interesting detail, if you zoom in on State Game Lands 101 in Google Earth there is a gash in the treeline in the central southwest corner of it that looks too big to be a break cleared for power lines or a firebreak path, I think it might be the small leftover of the tornado going through (the majority of the scar having faded away over time, I suppose).
 
FINALLY!!! Someone said it! He actually pointed out the massive contradictions and subjectivity in the Ef scale.
The old “well, this could’ve Ef5, but you see, this one tree is still standing so Ef4” is one of the biggest excuses for understanding potential Ef5 Dis in the damage survey field.
This is the excuse that robbed vilonia of its Ef5 rating as well as Chickasaw, and obviously the Kentucky tornado.
So glad a respected knowledgeable person pointed it out.
 
joshoctober16 said:
i could of sworn they didn't rate it EF5 just because a fence was standing, as in they acted it wasn't a drillbit tornado? or was it the other EF4 from the same day?
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That and a jacuzzi that stayed in place at another home. There was also an extremely well anchored third home with bolts spaced every two feet. It was also slabbed, but a mobile home was thrown into it during the tornado. A fourth home near the end of the path was ALSO totally slabbed but the bolts were “too small”, despite them appearing normal sized in the photos I’ve seen, and that specific home being specially engineered to be tornado-resistant.

While I can kinda understand the first three, it’s that fourth one I find truly ridiculous.

There’s also at least two or three other slabbed homes along to path for which I’ve never heard an official reason for the below-EF5 rating.
 
buckeye05 said:
That and a jacuzzi that stayed in place at another home. There was also an extremely well anchored third home with bolts spaced every two feet. It was also slabbed, but a mobile home was thrown into it during the tornado. A fourth home near the end of the path was ALSO totally slabbed but the bolts were “too small”, despite them appearing normal sized in the photos I’ve seen, and that specific home being specially engineered to be tornado-resistant.

While I can kinda understand the first three, it’s that fourth one I find truly ridiculous.

There’s also at least two or three other slabbed homes along to path for which I’ve never heard an official reason for the below-EF5 rating.
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wait what tornado are you talking about from that day? for each of them houses?

also a home to build to survive a violent tornado and it doesn't even get rated EF5....
 
So, I was looking for a specific bit of info for my article and came across this report from the Ashland Weekly News. Ashland, WI isn't even that far from New Richmond, but the report is so absurd that I had to post it. It's a perfect example of why you have to be so careful with old-timey sources. Sometimes facts get twisted or misreported over time kinda like a game of telephone. Sometimes the papers embellish or sensationalize a bit to spice up the story. And then sometimes they do this:

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This just.. never happened lol. Like, any of it. They seem to have straight up invented a fairly detailed story out of whole cloth. There is no Dollman's Circus - it was the Gollmar Bros. The circus was in the eastern part of town and was about half a mile outside the path at its closest (EDIT: for the sake of completeness, I should add that it was still raked by strong winds and some of the tents were wrecked, but obviously nothing remotely like what's described above). There was no "great crowd" at the time - the tornado struck between the afternoon and evening performances and most people had either gone home or downtown. No circus animals were hurt so far as I can tell, and I could only find one circus employee who was for sure killed (he was at a restaurant downtown at the time).

Btw, while I'm posting about it, I don't remember if I ever mentioned that I found some more deaths that aren't included in the "official" count of 117 for New Richmond. A few I couldn't 100% definitively confirm but there's decent evidence to support them. I actually haven't double-checked the numbers yet but I believe that'd bring the more-or-less-confirmed total to ~125 (plus 1 for the Stanton-Deer Park tornado, at least 2 for Clear Lake-Arland and 1 for Barron). Entirely possible there were more in downtown New Richmond since only fragments of some victims were recovered + we don't really know how many people were there, but I doubt they could ever be identified and confirmed at this point.
 
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buckeye05 said:
That and a jacuzzi that stayed in place at another home. There was also an extremely well anchored third home with bolts spaced every two feet. It was also slabbed, but a mobile home was thrown into it during the tornado. A fourth home near the end of the path was ALSO totally slabbed but the bolts were “too small”, despite them appearing normal sized in the photos I’ve seen, and that specific home being specially engineered to be tornado-resistant.

While I can kinda understand the first three, it’s that fourth one I find truly ridiculous.

There’s also at least two or three other slabbed homes along to path for which I’ve never heard an official reason for the below-EF5 rating.
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When a tornado slabs that many anchor bolted homes, several of which are more well-built than the standard home coupled with the OVERWHELMING amount of contextual evidence, I don’t see how you couldn’t go with EF5 in that situation unless you’re purposely trying not to. Not saying that was the case with Goldsby or Chickasha, but I don’t think it took a lot of critical thinking to see the thing had EF5 winds, and essentially met the criteria in several spots. Also found it interesting how Greg Stumpf and Gabe Garfield themselves seemed to agree both Chickasha and Goldsby were EF5 but weren’t rated as such because DI’s didn’t quite meet the criteria.
 
locomusic01 said:
So, I was looking for a specific bit of info for my article and came across this report from the Ashland Weekly News. Ashland, WI isn't even that far from New Richmond, but the report is so absurd that I had to post it. It's a perfect example of why you have to be so careful with old-timey sources. Sometimes facts get twisted or misreported over time kinda like a game of telephone. Sometimes the papers embellish or sensationalize a bit to spice up the story. And then sometimes they do this:

15T3BYw.jpg


This just.. never happened lol. Like, any of it. They seem to have straight up invented a fairly detailed story out of whole cloth. There is no Dollman's Circus - it was the Gollmar Bros. The circus was in the eastern part of town and was about half a mile outside the path at its closest (EDIT: for the sake of completeness, I should add that it was still raked by strong winds and some of the tents were wrecked, but obviously nothing remotely like what's described above). There was no "great crowd" at the time - the tornado struck between the afternoon and evening performances and most people had either gone home or downtown. No circus animals were hurt so far as I can tell, and I could only find one circus employee who was for sure killed (he was at a restaurant downtown at the time).

Btw, while I'm posting about it, I don't remember if I ever mentioned that I found some more deaths that aren't included in the "official" count of 117 for New Richmond. A few I couldn't 100% definitively confirm but there's decent evidence to support them. I actually haven't double-checked the numbers yet but I believe that'd bring the more-or-less-confirmed total to ~125 (plus 1 for the Stanton-Deer Park tornado, at least 2 for Clear Lake-Arland and 1 for Barron). Entirely possible there were more in downtown New Richmond since only fragments of some victims were recovered + we don't really know how many people were there, but I doubt they could ever be identified and confirmed at this point.
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Some of these sources really make you think what was even the purpose of completely making all of that up, what do you gain lol. Seems to have happened in recent examples as well, just why is all I have to ask. I’ve had to be careful with even some sources from the Greensburg event, one example that comes to mind is with this image:
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I don’t recall exactly why but there were some goats that roamed downtown after the tornado, pretty sure a farmer or someone kind of just let them roam likely due to having no where else to keep them…I guess. Anyways, there was not one but two different news outlets that claimed they were thrown by the tornado from way out in the countryside, which definitely didn’t happen at all and they are perfectly fine in the photo. Then of course there’s the headlines that make almost every meteorologist pull their hair out, the “hit without warning” headlines that are just not true.
 
Western_KS_Wx said:
When a tornado slabs that many anchor bolted homes, several of which are more well-built than the standard home coupled with the OVERWHELMING amount of contextual evidence, I don’t see how you couldn’t go with EF5 in that situation unless you’re purposely trying not to. Not saying that was the case with Goldsby or Chickasha, but I don’t think it took a lot of critical thinking to see the thing had EF5 winds, and essentially met the criteria in several spots. Also found it interesting how Greg Stumpf and Gabe Garfield themselves seemed to agree both Chickasha and Goldsby were EF5 but weren’t rated as such because DI’s didn’t quite meet the criteria.
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I understand playing it cautiously, but yeah at some point if the shoe fits, wear it. Both were EF5s.
 
joshoctober16 said:


also what the heck? 6 foot scouring banks made by the chickasha EF4 tornado....
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I’ve always thought Chickasha was not too far behind El Reno that same day in terms of intensity, the more images that are coming out from that event show just how violent it really was. Definitely capable of producing a large swath of EF4-5 damage had it hit populated areas, likely would’ve been on par with Moore 2013. I’d love to see a TornadoTalk article on both Washington and Chickasha.
 
Western_KS_Wx said:
I’ve always thought Chickasha was not too far behind El Reno that same day in terms of intensity, the more images that are coming out from that event show just how violent it really was. Definitely capable of producing a large swath of EF4-5 damage had it hit populated areas, likely would’ve been on par with Moore 2013. I’d love to see a TornadoTalk article on both Washington and Chickasha.
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Yeah, the damage made by Chickasha tornado was on par with some of the strongest tornados in history like Bridge Creek etc. The wind rowing in this tread was the most insane I've ever seen.
 
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