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Found some Goliad 1902 pics. They certainly suggest an F4 rating is appropriate. Poor people had no chance. The weird thing with the Goliad Tornado was how suddenly it approached, with a roar only becoming audible as the tornado was right on the town, and no funnel being visible as the tornado approached around mid-day, suggesting it may have been low-based or too wide to be recognized as an actual tornado.
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Where did you find these pics? Only Goliad pics I've seen were in a local news report on it, and none of these were in it:
 

buckeye05

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Poor quality since it's a newspaper clipping, but this is apparently a photo of the F5 tornado that hit Clyde TX on 6/10/1938 from The Abilene Reporter.

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Nice find. This thing apparently swept away an entire subdivision, and produced damage that area which may have even been almost Jarrell-like in severity. I've been trying to dig up quality damage photos from this one, but have had no such luck.
Found some Goliad 1902 pics. They certainly suggest an F4 rating is appropriate. Poor people had no chance. The weird thing with the Goliad Tornado was how suddenly it approached, with a roar only becoming audible as the tornado was right on the town, and no funnel being visible as the tornado approached around mid-day, suggesting it may have been low-based or too wide to be recognized as an actual tornado.
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Extremely intense debarking and tree damage in that first pic. Very impressive.
 

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Now I firmly believe three of the Pilger tornado family was capable of reaching EF5 intensity at some point(Stanton,Pilger,Pilger east).
Stanton has by far one of the most impressive car damage I've ever seen.Besides the famous truck that was thrown 0.25 miles,left completely unrecognizable. This vehicle,came from unknown location,was completely dismembered and embedded deep into the severely scoured earth.
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This was the house that got the EF4 rating but the two pics below was photographed by its houseowner from a different angle before the survey was conducted.Every tree, even low lying shrubbs in the pictures experienced complete to extreme debarking with the severely scoured earth in the background.The stone step of the house was cracked and ripped from its foundation, some kind of damage seen in the 2011 bridgeport EF4.Despite the house quality, I would put the tornado into an EF5 range considering its contextual damage.
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same house on the NWS Omaha
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Pilger tornado is considered the strongest of the four for its catastrophic damage done to the small town Pilger. But I tried to dig out what it encountered and its strength during its second peak in rural areas.This house was completely leveled near Wisner NE.I once thought it was destroyed by the Pilger East but after looking closely into the kml and tornado track, I'm sure this house was leveled by Pilger itself all alone near its second peak.Tornado completely leveled the house, cracked its cement foundation and threw cars into the field or ditch for 1/4 mile even more.I'm not quite clear though this house was ever rated by NWS Omaha or maybe they missed it?
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The tornado was strong enough to swallow tons of mud and smeared it to everything, which made houses, trees, roads really muddy.Trees around the house was severely or completely debarked, the winds near ground level was so violent that it some debarked tree trunks were almost caked in mud
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Cars were thrown
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Nice find. This thing apparently swept away an entire subdivision, and produced damage that area which may have even been almost Jarrell-like in severity. I've been trying to dig up quality damage photos from this one, but have had no such luck.

Extremely intense debarking and tree damage in that first pic. Very impressive.
Check out this video on Goliad, some extremely impressive damage pics:

 

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Now I firmly believe three of the Pilger tornado family was capable of reaching EF5 intensity at some point(Stanton,Pilger,Pilger east).
Stanton has by far one of the most impressive car damage I've ever seen.Besides the famous truck that was thrown 0.25 miles,left completely unrecognizable. This vehicle,came from unknown location,was completely dismembered and embedded deep into the severely scoured earth.
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This was the house that got the EF4 rating but the two pics below was photographed by its houseowner from a different angle before the survey was conducted.Every tree, even low lying shrubbs in the pictures experienced complete to extreme debarking with the severely scoured earth in the background.The stone step of the house was cracked and ripped from its foundation, some kind of damage seen in the 2011 bridgeport EF4.Despite the house quality, I would put the tornado into an EF5 range considering its contextual damage.
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Based on NCDC, "two vehicles, one truck and one car, was picked up by the tornado and tossed over 0.25miles. I guess this car damage was just alone 841st Road (correct me if I am wrong) with another truck damage which even more completely mangled. Stanton and Pilger Twins were absolutely monsters.
 

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One tornado event I wish I had more information about is the 1921 Avinger TX tornado. This complex family of multi-vortex, twins, and satellite tornadoes produced some very intense damage. Multiple homes were completely swept away, a large concrete fireplace was shifted 3 ft and a car was partially buried in the ground.
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The Berlin/LaMoure ND EF3 occurred in 7/17/2011 might have produced some of the worst vehicle damage I've ever seen in ND even in North Plains history.The tornado tossed every car it encountered with many of them were thrown over half a mile,completely dismembered and deeply embedded into the mud.Some of them were only left with car engines and tyres.
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The tornado also completely swept away a grain bin and cracked its foundation
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Trees completely debarked.Note the sward was almost dug up in the second pic.
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The Berlin/LaMoure ND EF3 occurred in 7/17/2011 might have produced some of the worst vehicle damage I've ever seen in ND even in North Plains history.The tornado tossed every car it encountered with many of them were thrown over half a mile,completely dismembered and deeply embedded into the mud.Some of them were only left with car engines and tyres.
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The tornado also completely swept away a grain bin and cracked its foundation
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Trees completely debarked.Note the sward was almost dug up in the second pic.
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The velocity signature from this tornado suggested an EF4 or EF5 tornado for sure
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I don't know if you guys have seen this extensive archived thread on the American Weather website and I don't know if posting here is kosher but I thought I would share it with you guys. It's a play by play of April 27, 2011, and has a ton of images and information from that day if you want to take the time to read it. Some of these images are great and I have only seen them there.

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I don't know if you guys have seen this extensive archived thread on the American Weather website and I don't know if posting here is kosher but I thought I would share it with you guys. It's a play by play of April 27, 2011, and has a ton of images and information from that day if you want to take the time to read it. Some of these images are great and I have only seen them there.

Historic Tornado Outbreak April 27, 2011 - American Weather


I think the catalyst for me joining both forums was the 4/27/11 threads and wanting to be able to view all the attachments, etc.
 
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I don't know if you guys have seen this extensive archived thread on the American Weather website and I don't know if posting here is kosher but I thought I would share it with you guys. It's a play by play of April 27, 2011, and has a ton of images and information from that day if you want to take the time to read it. Some of these images are great and I have only seen them there.

Historic Tornado Outbreak April 27, 2011 - American Weather

That thread is so fascinating, history in the making. VERY interesting quote from one user 'Stebo' on the top of page 10:

"The odds of this being another 'super outbreak' with 30 F4s and 6 F5s is about 1 in 1 million. Sure there will be a great number of tornadoes tomorrow, but to even put this outbreak in the same breath as the Super Outbreak is just foolish".

Crazy


Link:
 
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One tornado event I wish I had more information about is the 1921 Avinger TX tornado. This complex family of multi-vortex, twins, and satellite tornadoes produced some very intense damage. Multiple homes were completely swept away, a large concrete fireplace was shifted 3 ft and a car was partially buried in the ground.
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The damage in those pics is from the Blevins, Arkansas tornado. But yeah, that thing is crazy.

The MWR on it:

 
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So last year was the 30th anniversary of the March 13, 1990 Tornado Outbreak. While the Hesston and Goessel, KS F5s are well-known and documented many other tornadoes from that outbreak are not. This link had some pictures and articles of the long-track F4 that went through the area near Lawrence, Nebraska on that day. While officially this is the longest path in Nebraska state history at 124 miles, I'm sure it was actually a tornado family. A ton of newspaper articles I've never seen before on this thing are in the link below:


 

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The 1969 Hazlehurst MS tornado was probably one of the strongest tornadoes to occur in January. A school bus was stripped from its frame and rolled a quarter-mile, 2,500,000 board feet of timber was destroyed in Bienville National Forest, cars and pickup trucks were rolled/thrown up to 400 yards, dozens of homes were leveled with some being completely swept away, debris from metal buildings was blown up to 7 miles, significant ground scouring occurred at some portions of the tornado's path and trees were debarked.
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