OK so I actually know the reasoning (if you can call it that) for the F3 rating for Mulvane, and its absurd. Look at the first photo. See the wooden light pole still standing in the background? That is the single factor for why they decided against F4. I wish I was kidding.
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Significant Tornado Events
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If you go through the DAT, there's one damage point for some extreme debarking along the Chickasha path, and the comment for that damage point mentions that people on the survey team only saw comparable tree damage when surveying Andover and Bridge Creek. That says a lot imo.
That photo with the ground scouring is incredible. Not only is the scouring extremely intense, the contour between the scoured and unscoured grass is incredibly sharp and defined. It also reminds me of the scouring photo from Guin.I'd be shocked if it got an EF5 rating today, but it absolutely should. This house is right in the center of the Streak of Doom™ on Lantern Lane in Niles' Shadow Ridge neighborhood, which is about as extreme as contextual damage gets.
That field in the foreground isn't plowed-up topsoil btw, it's just been scoured to hell. This is almost straight across from the Jameisons' home (the one you posted) and a hundred or so yards downstream. The Trudell family's home was right next to theirs and allegedly part of the concrete slab was broken/pulled up when the home was swept away. Obviously that sounds pretty sketchy, but in any event, the home definitely did not fare well. Lighter debris from these homes was eventually found up to ~190 miles away.
Speaking of Niles-Wheatland, the ground scouring across Wheatland Flats was pretty wild.
Lol, they do realize how narrow that tornado was, don't they?
CheeselandSkies
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A lot of the chase accounts of it have been taken down over the years, but it was also one of the most photogenic tornadoes of certainly the year, if not the decade or the entire 21st century to date (perhaps rivaled only by Campo 2010 and Rozel 2013). Some of the best (and best-known, as at least one of them frequently appears on weather calendars to this day) photos of it were taken by the late Eric Nguyen. Fortunately his web site is still preserved.
Shakespeare 2016
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That vehicle damage is at least high-end F4.
Shakespeare 2016
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IMO the Chickasha tornado was at the same intensity as the El Reno tornado from that day or VERY near it.
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Not sure if it had enough power to topple a massive oil rig, but other than that it likely was pretty close to El Reno at points.
And of course Goldsby should've been rated EF5.
Yeah, 3 EF5s in Oklahoma on the same day. Crazy. 2011 really was a wild year for tornadoes.
Shakespeare 2016
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I guess it wouldn't be too surprising if the Chickasha tornado had hit an oil rig dead on at its peak intensity it would have rolled it several times.
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Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Probably, no way to know for sure though.
Also, while not EF5 (obviously) Canton Lake should've been rated EF4. That thing was pretty violent too.
Shakespeare 2016
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Goldsby was also at or very near the intensity as the El Reno tornado that day. Also the Canton Lake tornado from that day should have been rated at least a mid EF4.
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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This previous post on Goldsby shows a ton of proof of EF5 damage from it:
Significant Tornado Events
That last photo is a fake. It's a digitally aged photo of the 2013 Shawnee, OK EF4. There's also photo of the 2003 O'Neill, NE tornado being passed off as the San Justo tornado, which there are no actual photos of. IDK know why people feel the need to fabricate pieces of tornado history. In any...
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Well not only that, but wooden poles like that are not good contextual indicators. Sometimes they snap in an EF1, and sometimes they stay standing amidst violent damage. They aren’t reliable, and certainly not enough to bump a rating down that low.
Also, this is a perfect example of contextual “cherry picking”, which is one of the most infuriating tendencies that more conservative surveyors show. They ignored the insane vehicle damage, yet a single pole was enough for a downgrade. Context goes both ways, and using it only to downgrade is going to significantly skew survey results. It doesn’t take a genius or statistics expert to figure that out.
Sorry off topic, but Poison Idea and now Choking Victim? You have incredibly good taste in punk music.This previous post on Goldsby shows a ton of proof of EF5 damage from it:
Significant Tornado Events
That last photo is a fake. It's a digitally aged photo of the 2013 Shawnee, OK EF4. There's also photo of the 2003 O'Neill, NE tornado being passed off as the San Justo tornado, which there are no actual photos of. IDK know why people feel the need to fabricate pieces of tornado history. In any...
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Lol yes. I have way too many punk and metal shirts (it's now spilling into my online profile pics for most threads I'm involved with). One of these days I'm gonna post pics of my battle jackets when I finally finish them and use them for my profile pic.
Yeah, I like lots of 80s and 90s hardcore, along with crust, powerviolence, grindcore and related genres. I'm also into thrash & death metal. I'm that rare individual that flits between punks and metalhead guys and gals.
We could take this conversation to the "getting to know our users" thread (or something to that effect) so the mods don't get upset lol.
Anyways, awesome you like my kind of music! I'll try to steer back to the main topic now.
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Awhile back in this thread, someone posted several pics from different tornadoes (Parkersburg was one and Hodonin, Czechia tornado) where wood and metal poles were still standing amidst F4-F5 damage. Me and some other users surmised that the cylindrical/round shape of poles likely makes the winds just go around them instead of yanking them out of the ground, so poles being left likely isn't a good way of figuring out wind speed levels for some tornadoes.
AngelAndHisWx
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Oh that’s April 20 1996 in Ontario. I forget which tornado it was (one from the northern cell and one from the southern), but it was one of the two.Anybody recognize this photo? I totally forgot about it until I started uploading photos for my article. I found it in some random old book and it was labeled as the Grand Valley tornado, but there was no other info on it. It didn't show up in any reverse image searches and I've never seen it anywhere else before.
Exactly. There’s not really any surface area for the wind to “grab” onto.
Yes! I thought this looked familiar. I lost it, but I once had a book that detailed both of those tornadoes, with personal accounts from people along the paths who were hit by the tornadoes. It was a really good read, and I wish I could remember what it was called and where I left it.