The suspect that the FBI caught has been released, was not the shooter the manhunt is still on.
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Kds86z
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Agreed. Both sides have no right to kill someone just because of disagreement.
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Evan
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Sad day for the country to see political violence like this and the extreme reactions by some to what took place. That includes those mocking the incident and those attempting to use the incident to incite hatred and division.
Unfortunately, it seems like extremists are increasingly loud and dominant, and the division that they push is like flicking a lighter into dry kindling.
I had a major difference in opinion with Charlie Kirk on a number of issues -- just as I do with many other political commentators and politicians across the spectrum. I do not wish violence on them nor should anyone else. A 31 year old young man with a family is now dead.
I would like to think this country can be pulled back from the brink, however, I'm just not sure that it can be. There would have been a major role reversal here if an activist with left-wing views had been assassinated. You'd have certain extremists mocking it and cheering it and you'd have others baying for blood.
We have lost our humanity and our ability to see each other as people first instead of as opponents or caricatures.
I hope the murderer is caught quickly and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Political violence simply has no place in this country. Period.
Obviously, there remains the possibility that this was simply the actions of a deranged individual without any coherent political philosophy. I hope the extremists attempting to fan the flames in these types of situations sober up. They are playing a country ending type of game.
Unfortunately, it seems like extremists are increasingly loud and dominant, and the division that they push is like flicking a lighter into dry kindling.
I had a major difference in opinion with Charlie Kirk on a number of issues -- just as I do with many other political commentators and politicians across the spectrum. I do not wish violence on them nor should anyone else. A 31 year old young man with a family is now dead.
I would like to think this country can be pulled back from the brink, however, I'm just not sure that it can be. There would have been a major role reversal here if an activist with left-wing views had been assassinated. You'd have certain extremists mocking it and cheering it and you'd have others baying for blood.
We have lost our humanity and our ability to see each other as people first instead of as opponents or caricatures.
I hope the murderer is caught quickly and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Political violence simply has no place in this country. Period.
Obviously, there remains the possibility that this was simply the actions of a deranged individual without any coherent political philosophy. I hope the extremists attempting to fan the flames in these types of situations sober up. They are playing a country ending type of game.
This is vintage Cold War/Sixties cynicism, so feel free to dismiss this suggestion -- it is not 100% impossible that this undeniably dark moment is professionally provocatory, timed as it is with us stepping over the line of civilized behavior recently by killing, without proof offered to justify it, 11 people near Venezuela; Russia stepping over the line into Polish air space; and Israel bombing Qatar.
I don't defend this suggestion, only make it. Events will show whether it has any validity. I hope it doesn't verify; I fear, though, that we and much of the rest of the world might be even closer to the toaster than we suspected.
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Ozonelayer
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As of 7:52 AM EST, the shooter has not been arrested. We can only hope he is though.
It's almost hard to believe this is even happening.
It's almost hard to believe this is even happening.
I think the old guy that was at the event that got arrested and was yelling shoot me I did it (or whatever he said that was similar to that) . Definitely stunted things because they believe the shooter was in custody which helped the real shooter get away easier. Odd situation.
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Update from the FBI this morning, they have lots of video currently. The guy ran through a neighborhood near the event to escape. And have found a bolt action rifle near the woods where he ran through to escape
So leaked information from the ATF is that there is antifa and transgender engravings on the ammo and weapon that was found.
This whole situation stinks real bad of some treachery. Anyone I see on the right calling for war is an absolute imbecile. We still don't know who the shooter is and what they stand for. Lo and behold, there's engravings on ammo. Really? Call me skeptical - especially when the person who did this very clearly and obviously knows what they are doing. How in the world did they get away with it? I have a feeling they are going to "get away" and they're gonna remain completely anonymous. Of course, I'd love to see this shooter caught, but until that happens I won't believe it.
Who is benefitting from this? Trump. He's rallying MAGA together right now. This benefits no one on the left. I'm not straight up saying this was something orchestrated by that side because there isn't nearly enough evidence for it as of now, but it is certainly a possibility, and to deny that it isn't is insane to me. He was losing his base hard when it came to the Epstein stuff, but now they have this occur and all of the sudden a civil war is a possibility, which would absolutely aid in keeping him in power and taking eyes away from Epstein files. Also, yesterday they voted against releasing the Epstein files again - conveniently timed, I would say. A super narcissistic megalomaniac like Trump is not someone I would omit from committing an atrocity like this for the sake of his own hatred against the left.
Yeah, people on the internet are talking crazy on both sides. However, anyone calling for actual war is completely off their rocker and that takes it a step even further than anyone who "isn't feeling bad," or "glad" about it. This is going downhill. Fast.
Who is benefitting from this? Trump. He's rallying MAGA together right now. This benefits no one on the left. I'm not straight up saying this was something orchestrated by that side because there isn't nearly enough evidence for it as of now, but it is certainly a possibility, and to deny that it isn't is insane to me. He was losing his base hard when it came to the Epstein stuff, but now they have this occur and all of the sudden a civil war is a possibility, which would absolutely aid in keeping him in power and taking eyes away from Epstein files. Also, yesterday they voted against releasing the Epstein files again - conveniently timed, I would say. A super narcissistic megalomaniac like Trump is not someone I would omit from committing an atrocity like this for the sake of his own hatred against the left.
Yeah, people on the internet are talking crazy on both sides. However, anyone calling for actual war is completely off their rocker and that takes it a step even further than anyone who "isn't feeling bad," or "glad" about it. This is going downhill. Fast.
FBI has a person of interest, whether they think it's the shooter or not who knows.
To me I go to Occam's razor. People hated him for his views just like people hate trump for his and his policies so somebody decided to try to assassinate him because they hate him just like they tried with trump. I considered the other ideas, but how a lot of people on the left are celebrating, I just see this as a plain political assassination.
I just hope that there's no retribution from the right. Charlie would of course being the Christian he was and the good man he was, would be against retribution.
Central Ohio Wx
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I'm wholly against politically-incited violence but I do see where others from the left come from from a progressive standpoint; Kirk was a horrible (in my opinion) person who advocated for some extremely vile homophobic and racist things, such as the execution of LGBTQ+ people. I do have sympathy for him, his family, and his kids who had to watch that, although I do keep in mind that he spent much of his time here hurting and putting down other minority groups who seriously suffered due to his words and actions.
And, again, political violence is never, ever, ever okay in a civilized country regardless of the target. This shouldn't have happened, and the fact it did says so much about us as a country. I don't want my kids to live in a world where people shoot the politicians they don't like instead of going out and voting.
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Ozonelayer
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I hope the guy gets caught. Like everyone else here has said, this can't be justified in any significant manner.
Charlie Kirk said some things I agreed with, he said a lot of stuff I didn't like. Big whoop. Doesn't mean he was deserving of death. Hell he wasn't even that bad of a guy. Sure he was homophobic but he never actually did anything wrong other than saying things that groups of people didn't like. Hell, he actually was one of the only major political figures that heard the other side out and, at times, agreed with the other side.
No matter what you think of him, Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die. And seeing the reactions of people on Twitter and Bluesky utterly disgusts me.
Charlie Kirk said some things I agreed with, he said a lot of stuff I didn't like. Big whoop. Doesn't mean he was deserving of death. Hell he wasn't even that bad of a guy. Sure he was homophobic but he never actually did anything wrong other than saying things that groups of people didn't like. Hell, he actually was one of the only major political figures that heard the other side out and, at times, agreed with the other side.
No matter what you think of him, Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die. And seeing the reactions of people on Twitter and Bluesky utterly disgusts me.
There was supposed to be a press conference in 10 minutes but it is delayed because of rapid developments. So they maybe close to apprehending.
Also a bomb threat has been made at the DNC
Also a bomb threat has been made at the DNC
FBI believes they have identified the shooter and person in the pictures now.
He said a woman that was raped should have to carry on her pregnancy. He repeatedly pondered Great Replacement Theory, which is core white supremacism. Man, at least be honest about his stances on things. "Sure he was homophobic but..."
Central Ohio Wx
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His stance on Leviticus 20:13 is one of his most striking things to me - he basically said that LGBT people should be stoned to death because that’s “god’s perfect plan”. Abhorrent, and I find it a little difficult to sympathize with someone who wished death on several different groups of people.
Ozonelayer
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Okay I didn't hear about those things. Do I agree with him on those? Hell no, but that wasn't my point.
My point was that no matter your political stance, he didn't deserve the be gunned down in public like that. Like I said before: "Charlie Kirk said some things I agreed with, he said a lot of things i didn't agree with."
Though you did bring a few things to my attention (which I thank you for, as I wasn't aware of those.), I still stand by the fact that he didn't deserve to killed, especially not in public like that.