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2025 Political Thread

Guess we're in line for the next crackdown.

Useful idiots are doing this (I love Wyden's response):





And they have disappeared one of our guys (and several Washingtonians) while they were fighting a big fire. On the fire line.

Hey, quotas won't fill themselves.

Meanwhile, as the Alaska conference fades down our memory hole, and other "shock news" holds our attention, Kiev was in mourning this week after a massive drone attack, Macron says if Putin doesn't start making serious peace moves by Monday it will show he was just mocking Trump (he did NOT say the US -- Europe likes us even though it occasionally has issues with the government), and the president of Portugal, not being the head of government, felt free enough to call Trump "a Russian asset."

I would drop the -et as well as "Russian" and, as mentioned, think it's because the actually likeable and outrageous Donald Trump that we've known for decades is now too old for a very demanding job.

Don't know how valid all these tweets are:



Cutting to the gist of the matter, I think that, with both Biden and Trump, as well as several members of Congress, including the late Diane Feinstein, it's not them but younger people running the show.

Not to use the dehumanizing generation "brand names" that we Boomers invented first for ourselves, the real problem with this country might be that a power-obssessed cadre of our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren might be running things in all but name, with Boomers fronting for them.

And at some level the rest of us recognize this and are dealing with it as best we can, I think, trying to hold this country and its democracy together, as well as our nation's future: all of my generation's children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and those to come.

We're Americans. We'll find a way.
 
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andyhb said:
What the hell are we even doing man...
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Forgetting precedent.

Nein, not that one. I mean the one I witnessed and let slip because I didn't recognize the threat and had been conditioned to ignore the "greatest generation," who did: the stripping of theology out of the Left, after Saigon fell, and its replacement with dehunanization, hedonism, cynicism, realpolitik, and greed, while the ugly stuff got downplayed while its practice gradually became common practice.

And the glowing escape screen gets bigger, brighter, and more and more soothing.

Now it's the turn of the Right's true believers. America, however, is so corrupted by now that the control freaks feel that they don't have to hide the velvet glove-encased fist quite so well.

They've been wrong before, too.

I hope. A lot of people do get turned on by the sight of raw power being exercised.

Have we come to that as a nation?
 
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Good for Alabama!

I'm really trying not to post so much here and to focus on more positive stuff. These are difficult times all around though, and this view from France -- the first two paragraphs, especially the first one -- sums up what I see, too, though she doesn't get into the disappearing and other police-state stuff in the available text.

It's in English. They forbid posting excerpts. It's mostly paywalled, but between this and a series they're doing on volcanoes, I might just give a subscription a try.

For my peace of mind, I haven't been following news lately but, just to follow up some topics in the thread, did read a few days ago that Europe has sanctioned Iran for not following talks on discontinuing its allegedly bunker-buster-terminated nuclear program; California has filed or is going to file an injunction to stop troop deployments like the last one between now and Election Day; Abrego can either not fight the feds and get shipped to Costa Rica or else stand up for his rights and face deportation to Uganda if he loses; Denmark called in our ambassador for a WTH? talk about allegations that US operatives in Greenland are encouraging support for it leaving Denmark and joining the US; and Trump is refurbishing the Qatar jet, reportedly.**

I've learned to take him at his word and therefore do entertain the possibility that the end game in Gaza really is luxury hotels. Sigh.

Are we great yet?

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**On reading a little further, also learned that The Posse reportedly had a follow-up phone meeting with King Don and Crown Prince JD on Ukraine that went nowhere meaningful. AWGY?

By the way, I don't think it's just Trump with Russia. I think that Putin murdered his elected opposition leader Alexei Navalny, after years of fooling around during the terms of previous presidents, and did so because he knew that Biden would do no more than call him an SOB -- just a greeting in macho-tough-guy circles. No sanctions.

It's the billionaires.

And while on this rant, might as well add that, although I think he's being partisan, maybe Ron Wyden's approach to the Epstein case can break 'em open, since it presumably could expose "Clinton and those hedge fund guys" as well as Trump.

I think that's what made the AP poodle bark at him.

As mentioned, I don't agree with that Portland liberal on some things, but he's a keeper.

PS: Others like him, too.

 
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Central Ohio Wx said:
What kind of president threatens an American city?
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One that has something to hide and needs to distract public attention away from it.

What's so Grand about an Old Party that doesn't have the guts to admit that they made a mistake backing this guy instead of De Santis in 2024? (Not that I'm a fan of De Santis now, given some of his latest moves, and anyway I liked Haley, but De Santis clearly had the nod for a while as shown by his speech at the Reagan Library.)
 
We've got to face an ugly fact, too: it's not human nature to relinquish power. All this power that King Donald is taking under the executive is likely to stay there and be exercised by all future executives, regardless of party affiliation.

For instance, Obama used executive orders a lot and the conservatives railed against that -- until Inauguration Day 2025.

Next year, maybe we will be mad enough to vote in a Democrat majority in Congress, and in 2028, the White House.

It's difficult to see how we will be able to respond after that, if it turns out that, just like 1930s Germany, we have just voted ourselves into total fascism (but under a nicer label).

I think what the "greatest generation" -- who put down Nazi fascism at great cost -- what they would recommend is that we, the people, act now and demand that BIPARTISAN action on impeachment happen now.

That generation's children didn't respect their parents' hard-won wisdom (two world wars and a major depression, among other things).

Now we're more generations along; I suspect that the more cynical and power-grabby Cold War spooks came home in the Nineties and have been doing their government-undermining/put-our-own-guys-in thing here ever since (Business Plot 2.0 types would pay well for such expertise); and, looking around, I wonder how many of us, the People, can even see the real problem, let alone what seems to me to be the only solution -- and only that if done right now: cross-aisle work in Congress to impeach Donald Trump in 2025 through October 2026. Given the election craziness, filing articles in 2025 would be best.

On what? Well, one of the things they impeached Andrew Johnson for was taking too much power. Other than that, it's pretty much a grab-bag: emoluments, Epstein, and/or who knows what else knowledgeable sniffers could collect.

And if done right, it would never come to trial. Like Nixon, he'd see the writing on the wall and quit (or, being The Don, maybe flip out, though I wouldn't wish that on him or his family).

Vance would pardon him, as Ford did Nixon, and we could all move on, having made the point that this unAmerican stuff is not acceptable.

If we lack the will to do that now -- and 11 million Americans reportedly turning out for No Kings Day back in June tells me that the will exists -- well, we're all the billionaires' poodle right now, aren't we?

No wonder there's a "shock news" three-ring circus underway from the White House. The last thing these control freaks want us -- people and Congress -- to do is think and act.

But it's always best in the long term to do the right thing -- especially when it seems impossible. A surprising lot is possible when the attempt is made.
 
PS: When Thanedar filed his impeachment articles, months ago, I recall seeing a quote from Hakeem Jeffries about some bipartisan articles they were working on. Wonder if there are some underway...
 
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And to bring in both sides of the Atlantic, here's a Guardian story on it.

I think he could be impeached (bipartisan) for threatening Chicago, as noted earlier in the thread. But there's so much more.

And if reps are still intimidated by that post-election graphic showing the nation a swath of red with two blue coasts -- it's only a graphic. People are a different story.

Ron Wyden surprised me by not saying a word about Trump's extraordinary post-summit comment about mail-in votes.

Instead, he did town hall meetings all around the state (including nearby Philomath but I couldn't go). Probably other politicians did, too.

Despite our rep, most of Oregon is centrist to very conservative, especially east of the Cascades, and one group over there, disgusted by the liberals in Portland and elsewhere, even wants to secede and join Idaho!

But those town meetings, along with mail, etc., must have told him what ALL the people thought on that mail-in vote comment (actually, there are ballot boxes) and other issues.

And Wyden & Co. all came out swinging.



I should follow them all, but Wyden certainly has been swinging ever since.

There's politics, and then there's unAmerican, morally putrid crap -- and we all can tell the difference.

Trump certainly is uniting the country -- I'll give him that. The question is whether our elected officials, particularly the GOP trumpeteers, will follow the country and, I truly believe, receive plaudits and votes galore for joining a bipartisan impeachment process.
 
Central Ohio Wx said:
Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck; made the bad decision of watching the video that’s circulating around right now. I highly doubt he survives, given he was hit in the neck.
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I just saw it too. Absolutely brutal video - no way he survives. They already have the shooter in custody though, which is good.

EDIT: Took me a while to see this, but they do not have the shooter. Wouldn't be surprised if whoever the shooter was got hired to do this - a 200 yard shot and got away without being caught, at least for now? Whoever it is knows what they're doing, that's for sure.
 
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I usually don't like to get involved in politics, but right now, I will say this.

Anyone celebrating, or using this to push their political agenda? Take a good long look in the mirror. Just because you disagreed with him doesn't mean that this is a good thing. And if you're using it to denounce the other side, then your no better than those who think this is funny.

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Seriously, people, on BOTH sides, need to learn when to stop. The man was killed in cold blood for his beliefs. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY deserves that.
 
This will be my only post in this thread. I hate we even have this thread on here.

What happened today is sickening and heartbreaking. The day before the 9/11 attacks anniversary too which makes it even more sickening. We've lost common sense and respect for the American Flag. We don't teach common sense anymore. Common sense is where the parents teach their kids right from wrong, how to use a gun properly, etc. Common sense also means respecting those in office whether you agree with them or not. Common sense is not calling for gun control every time someone gets shot. All these lessons start in the home and church. Today, I'm thankful to have been raised by a loving family who taught me to respect everyone, abide by common sense rules, and taught me the word of God. I'm proud of the America Flag, the nation we live in, the freedoms that we have, and God's many blessings.

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