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2025 Political Thread

Imagine designating "anti-fascism" as a terrorist organization when it isn't even an organization. It's an ideology.

Also Jimmy Kimmel getting muzzled by ABC/Sinclair after pressure from the FCC chair is blatantly and unambiguously authoritarian.
 
Also Jimmy Kimmel getting muzzled by ABC/Sinclair after pressure from the FCC chair is blatantly and unambiguously authoritarian.
It’s just another nail in the coffin of broadcast television. I’d bet that, if ABC doesn’t put him back on the air, he shows up on a streaming service or cable channel where he can say way more than ABC ever allowed.
 
This is an administration lacking any sense of direction, which happens when you have no moral compass.

There's a distinct possibility that it and its predecessor really run under a cabal of people, much younger than the tired and dirty old man who is fronting them (Biden had a reputation, too, although I don't know that he ever was linked to Epstein), power crazed and unaware that electronic tools give shortcuts to power but don't show the world as it really is .

They think they're living "West Wing" and, to reflect back on Belarus for an example, have no clue of the sort of sharks that swim in chummy waters.
Trump v1.0 did know it; quite a contrast with v.2.0.

There is a large Facebook group for my community and a topic in recent days has been "Did your pastor mention Charlie Kirk by name?", and people saying they're leaving their church because their pastor didn't and going to ones where the pastor did talk about Kirk. What are we doing here?

I had no idea it was that bad.

But really, bad for them because they miss the message that you see clearly. :)

After rewatching the Navalny video -- the man was an elected official and suffered and was murdered, IMO, by a smart (only in power-player terms, in a terrible game) guy -- I realized that all that this most recent tragedy of ours really means is that America has lost two young men, Charlie and Tyler (allegedly), and that two more families are among the anguished victims Hate is claiming in this country.

Totally different thing from Russia, and it's self-inflicted.

But turning towards the light and accepting responsibility for ourselves and for the consequences of our actions -- which I think is most effectively done through the gentle but powerful lens of religion -- is so hard.

Limbaugh used to talk about "illustrating absurdity by being absurd", and he was a master at it. First, he didn't try to hide what he was doing, even if the MSM would conveniently ignore that part. Second, he was usually pretty funny when he did it. None of these guys today can hold a candle to pre-Trump Limbaugh
Humor! The world is parched for humor!!!! :)
 
Well this is starting to look like Vietnam War 2.0 -- Latin America. Venezuela is conducting military exercises now and our extrajudicial killings (I have to agree with the UN until my government explains with proof otherwise, as I wish it would do) now total 14.

Registered with the draft yet?

Great. :(

PS: Thinking of dodging, if events turn that way? Clinton closed the Canada route in the 1990s. In current times, try it, Martin Niemoller, and you'll probably discover that all this people-spotting and people-scooping-up buildup was not intended for those accused of illegal immigration only.

That reminds me : Oregon is being sued by the feds for not turning over ALL the voter registration records including those with in-depth information on each voter. We are one of the several "hellNo!" states on this.
 
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I think he was speaking from the heart here, except maybe toward the end when he wrapped it up: remarkable.



I'd like to hear from Clinton and W. Bush, too. They, too, could do this country such a good turn right now.

And if you had told me a year ago that I'd be cheering Obama against Trump, I would have called you crazy. These eight months, though -- who would have thought it possible in America?
 


Once you start labelling groups of minorities like this, the path is to 1930s Germany.
 
Hmm. I can't find independent confirmation online of the first quote in that linked article: "“We're looking at the entire spider web for any of these attacks,” FBI director Kash Patel told the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, when asked about shootings by trans individuals."

He did reportedly say that they were going to run down everyone involved in that Discord chat with the suspect. That's a valid law enforcement move.

It's also valid in these times, sad as they are, for us to be concerned about agency overreach and going rogue, especially in Homeland Security's purview.

But in this case I'm gonna unhood my inner cynic and let it fly: the wannabe American fascists are limiting themselves, for the moment, to targets that will least ruffle ALL of white America. There is no way, especially with an election next year, that they will stir up the "Rainbow Alphabet" group and their major supporters just yet.

That would come later, as it did in Nazi Germany.

If this were true, imagine what PBS and all the others would be screaming to the rafters about right now.

What such stories do is play on the feeling most of us have that it might not be a coincidence that three major murder episodes now have a "trans angle." At least I've thought about it.

We must not smear all trans people -- that's a Nazi thing to do.

We Americans must try to unite and face the serious question it raises about whether gender-bending (is that a good term for it all?) is more about human rights or human pathology (inclusive of those triggered into cruelty, repression, and/or assault when they see it in others).

And I don't think we are ready to do that yet, what with the Republican majority giving off strong cult vibes and our national will as a people paralyzed by the series of gut blows we and our institutions have received since January.

Which brings me to Obama (what I came here to post about). That tweet needs to be accompanied by recognition of the fact that you don't get to the top of the greased pole of US politics without having an uncanny ability to simulate human emotion while remaining very calculating inside; he was good enough at it to have an eight-year run.

I think the billionaire boys' club is trying to brainwash us out of democracy into fascism. Trump is the stick. Obama is very likely to be the carrot.

I mistrust anything right now that makes me react emotionally rather than as a responsible adult American voter.

Being responsible is hard work. Mike is right -- we really could use another national humorist right now.
 
It seemed like LA all over again: go in like gangbusters on a Friday and let the weekend backlash give you more material to start next week with.

Since that Los Angeles deployment was declared illegal, it seemed possible that the very aggressive enforcers were trying to provoke a violent response that Trump could use as justification for a crackdown in this city extrajudicially.

If so, that hasn't happened thus far. Not even in a city where the feds already have a body count of 1 (? if justified).

I don't think it will happen, either, in Mike Royko's town (I miss that columnist, who died in '94). Folks there are wise.

But things in the former Second City must be very tense right now.

The Chicago Tribune has a good story on ICE's activities there to date, including both Friday's events and the recent shooting.
 
Speaking of "extrajudicial," we have reportedly killed three more Venezuelans. Body count is now 17, and in time that might appear minuscule on both the Latin American and US sides.

That's how these things always turn out. :(

In none of the stories has even this administration been quoted as saying that the targets fired on us, not first, not even in self-defense.

They're swatting flies with a railgun and then boasting about it

And they still offer no objective evidence to back up their claims, so I'm still calling it "extrajudicial."

Meanwhile, we don't even have a comment about Russia's latest test of NATO, this time encroaching on Estonia's airspace with jets. Italian fighters reportedly chased them away.

Our silence when allies are threatened is sad. Do we only use our power physically and on those who can't fight back?
 
I think he was speaking from the heart here, except maybe toward the end when he wrapped it up: remarkable.



I'd like to hear from Clinton and W. Bush, too. They, too, could do this country such a good turn right now.

And if you had told me a year ago that I'd be cheering Obama against Trump, I would have called you crazy. These eight months, though -- who would have thought it possible in America?


I can't take anything Barack Obama says seriously. He spent 8 years dividing this country and villifying hard working people. Obama is *DIRECTLY* responsible for what we have today.

He should go down as one of the five worst presidents in history.
 
I can't take anything Barack Obama says seriously. He spent 8 years dividing this country and villifying hard working people. Obama is *DIRECTLY* responsible for what we have today.

He should go down as one of the five worst presidents in history.
When did he do this and was it a specific group he was talking about?
 
I can't take anything Barack Obama says seriously. He spent 8 years dividing this country and villifying hard working people. Obama is *DIRECTLY* responsible for what we have today.

He should go down as one of the five worst presidents in history.
I generally appreciate your perspective on things, but we must be remembering history differently. He is one of the few presidents I believe truly wanted the best for our country.

Obama is directly responsible for this absolutely corrupt lying divided disaster we have going on now? Absurd assertion. It's been brewing for awhile and evolving slowly. The ones directly responsible is the American public for neglecting their responsibility to make an informed choice when voting. They'd rather be spoon-fed opinions/ideas/perspectives from the media and influence around them. Independent thinking is obfuscated behind the assimilation-addicted masses. Social media platforms perpetuate this lazy way of thinking, absent self-criticism and reflection. For most people (thankfully not most of y'all) they entirely believe without a second thought, what they are given on their phones.
 
He should go down as one of the five worst presidents in history

Hmm -- some serious competition there. :)

Thirty, forty years from now -- whenever it becomes safe to report this experiential hell of ours in the past tense -- Obama's legacy will be the occurrence of a terrible race riot in Missouri under the nation's first black president.

That's just so complex and yet so symbolic of how screwed up the US has been for many decades now.

What made me call him a carrot later on is the peculiar phrase he used: "self-executing."

Superficially, it's clear that he meant that democracy requires participation; what KoD said so well.

But as all advertisers know, subliminal messages go deeper and there is another way to take "Democracy is self-executing" -- that democracy is useless because it kills itself.

Commies -- my 50s and 60s roots are showing -- and fascists believe that.

America's two-and-a-half-century history puts the lie to commies and fascists but only barely. Democracy is hard and costly in terms of sweat, tears, and occasionally blood.

It's possible in today's world that anti-democracy types -- perhaps not all the hateful kind but with some who have merely despaired, a temporary condition -- it's possible that they would use subliminal messages on us.

If that's what it was, "Democracy is self-executing" is at the black-belt level, for sure!

I like the rest of what Obama said a lot. And that worries me. Soothing is not what the times call for.

They call for emphatic recognition of the fact that the fascists (definitely excluding most MAGA rank and file but including and not limited to Trumpeteers) are NOT as popular as they'd like us to think and that We The People are much more powerful than the fascists would like us to know.

We do realize it. For example, the way things have turned out over the weekend in Chicago is very good news for us, not the fascists.

Wish there was some way to get the MSM to cover all that.
 
When did he do this and was it a specific group he was talking about?

From January 2009 through January 2017.

Anyone who didn't think like him.

Stop looking at him through a present-day lens comparing him to Trump.
 
I generally appreciate your perspective on things, but we must be remembering history differently. He is one of the few presidents I believe truly wanted the best for our country.

Obama is directly responsible for this absolutely corrupt lying divided disaster we have going on now? Absurd assertion. It's been brewing for awhile and evolving slowly. The ones directly responsible is the American public for neglecting their responsibility to make an informed choice when voting. They'd rather be spoon-fed opinions/ideas/perspectives from the media and influence around them. Independent thinking is obfuscated behind the assimilation-addicted masses. Social media platforms perpetuate this lazy way of thinking, absent self-criticism and reflection. For most people (thankfully not most of y'all) they entirely believe without a second thought, what they are given on their phones.


Obama spent 8 years blaming Christians and people of European decent for all the ills of today, and his supporters spent that same time calling everyone racist for disagreeing with him.

Most people can handle ideological differences, or at least they could until the last decade or so, but the guy or gal who just wants to go to work, support his family and go to the church of his/her choice over the weekend gets tired of being told how bad of a person they are. Then here comes this guy who plays off that and stokes the fire, and next thing you know people everywhere are wearing silly red hats.

The Republicans of the time didn't help anything. Remember, while the 2008 primaries were still competitive, Trump only had the support of roughly 1/3 of the Republican voters. It was obvious he was a threat, but Cruz, Rubio and Kasich couldn't get their egos out of the way and unite behind one person and defeat Trump. I loathe Ted Cruz for various reasons, but he would have been a much better option and could have beaten Trump had Rubio and Kasich got behind him early.

I agree the rise of social media has contributed to what we have today. It was a great new avenue for the people in power, which at the time was the Obama administration, to get their message out.

I just hit 21 years on this forum this month. We used to have pretty well thought out discussions on here, though the disagreements were heated at times. I don't think anyone's mind was ever changed, but at least this format allowed for long form discussion that could be backed up with the facts of our choice (lol). Social media is just one "gotcha" after another.

RIP America
 
Hmm -- some serious competition there. :)

Thirty, forty years from now -- whenever it becomes safe to report this experiential hell of ours in the past tense -- Obama's legacy will be the occurrence of a terrible race riot in Missouri under the nation's first black president.

I've already said a lot in the previous post, but when we talk about looking back on presidencies, I feel like W's will be seen differently. I poo-poo'd all over his "compassionate conservatism" schtick back then, but we sure could use some of that now. We could use anything than what we have now.


Trump does some positive things, but he's so easily to hate it tarnishes anything he does. The show he put on yesterday at the Kirk memorial is all anyone needs to see to know what he's about. In that regard, Obama was a much better statesman and could at least come across as presidential so long as you didn't read too much into what he was reading off of the teleprompter.
 
the guy or gal who just wants to go to work, support his family and go to the church of his/her choice over the weekend gets tired of being told how bad of a person they are. Then here comes this guy who plays off that and stokes the fire, and next thing you know people everywhere are wearing silly red hats
We need an applause icon.

And the country could use some purple hats. Not RIP, though:

 
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