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That last photo is a fake. It's a digitally aged photo of the 2013 Shawnee, OK EF4. There's also photo of the 2003 O'Neill, NE tornado being passed off as the San Justo tornado, which there are no actual photos of. IDK know why people feel the need to fabricate pieces of tornado history. In any case, it was an extremely violent tornado that scoured the grass to bare soil in some area, and caused well-built homes to essentially disappear according to some reports. Here is one of the homes that was swept away in San Justo. I used to have a "before" picture of it but now I can only find the "after" pic. But anyway, this was a large, sturdy concrete/masonry house.
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So are the other pictures all real? Just wanna be safe I don't post incorrect information. Also that photo of the masonry house I think there is a video on YouTube that had a before and after of it, pretty sure this same video showed entire factories being swept away (or at least leveled) by this thing.
 

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So are the other pictures all real? Just wanna be safe I don't post incorrect information. Also that photo of the masonry house I think there is a video on YouTube that had a before and after of it, pretty sure this same video showed entire factories being swept away (or at least leveled) by this thing.
The rest are real. There are just no actual photos of the tornado itself.

Also, yet I've seen those aerial shots. It did largely slab some industrial buildings in town.
 

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Speaking of violent tornadoes outside the US, I wish there was more info on the Ivanovo, Russia tornado of 1984. Some of the damage it caused sounds almost impossibly intense (lofting construction cranes through the air and sweeping away reinforced concrete buildings). I feel that this may be a result of hyperbole and mistranslation over time though. Not much reliable info out there on it.

I should mention that the guy I mentioned a few pages back was usually the one making these claims, so that automatically sets of my BS detector.
 

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This picture of the Carney OK 2013 tornado reminds me of the 1999 Moore tornado given the size and radar presentation. This tornado was more underrated than Shawnee and Moore (2013)but, the vortices during its early stages we're almost certainly above 200 MPH. The horizontal vortex look as textbook I will ever see.

It had GTG shear over 200 MPH right when it was about to hit Carney
 

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Speaking of violent tornadoes outside the US, I wish there was more info on the Ivanovo, Russia tornado of 1984. Some of the damage it caused sounds almost impossibly intense (lofting construction cranes through the air and sweeping away reinforced concrete buildings). I feel that this may be a result of hyperbole and mistranslation over time though. Not much reliable info out there on it.
There was a good article about this outbreak and it mentioned some damage descriptoon mabe exaggrated. It also questioned whether the whole tornado path was continuous.
 

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This picture of the Carney OK 2013 tornado reminds me of the 1999 Moore tornado given the size and radar presentation. This tornado was more underrated than Shawnee and Moore (2013)but, the vortices during its early stages we're almost certainly above 200 MPH. The horizontal vortex look as textbook I will ever see.

It had GTG shear over 200 MPH right when it was about to hit Carney
RaxPol measured 90.9m/s at 103 AGL around 2204UTC, certainly a very violent tornado.
It went through woods area before close to Carney. I can find some near violent level car and tree damage but hard to find more high end damage
 

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I clearly remember watching the Carney tornado and being more impressed with its appearance than the more violent Shawnee tornado, probably had violent potential at brief points. Both of course overshadowed dramatically and forgotten by the events of the following day.
 

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I clearly remember watching the Carney tornado and being more impressed with its appearance than the more violent Shawnee tornado, probably had violent potential at brief points. Both of course overshadowed dramatically and forgotten by the events of the following day.


It's motion definitely seemed more violent than Shawnee. I think if it hit Carney at peak strength it would probably be confirmed as a violent tornado. At peak strength it didn't hit much and the stuff it did hit was probably the RFD or the inflow jet.
 

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Speaking of international violent tornado, this one from Mangolia in 2014 definitely needs mention.

It was said that the tornado threw 4t thruck over 1km and completely level houses. Here was some damage photo I can find and you can also notice ground souring near the mangled thruck.
The video appearance of it looks like Seward 2001 or Hoover 1995.
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Looks like those trucks were smashed by a tree or debris, they don't look like they were picked up or thrown but hopefully no was was inside of them. The tree damage looks Like high-end EF2 to low-end EF3 if I had to infer.
I am not sure whether the tree in the third picture had been moved or not. This kind of very big tree moved by tornado was rated EF4 by tree experts in Easter outbreak from Walthall county EF4.(This kinds of thing usually weighs several tons.)
 
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I am not sure whether the tree in the third picture had been moved or not. This kind of very big tree moved by tornado was rated EF4 by tree experts in Easter outbreak from Walthall county EF4.


It looks to be moved because all I see is grass and no spot where the try would've been.
 

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I will reiterate, as it's a common lament after the old TW went down, thanks to fortuitous obsessive digital hoarding I have both the old Significant Tornado Events and Strongest Tornado threads from the old site through about May 2014, perfectly intact with all posts and images through then (along with a few others such as the Joplin and May 2013 Moore/El Reno days) so if there's anything anyone wants me to pull from those I can do so. I'd repost them all here but would of course want explicit moderator approval before spamming the board.
 

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2013 Woodbury had three EF4 rating places in Damage Viewer but really weird to see this kind of damage can earn EF4 rating. The second picture has been described "car moved 10m".
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For Wayne NE EF4, it seems much intense than Woodbury tornado, but still not sure about wheather or not it worth this rating.
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I will reiterate, as it's a common lament after the old TW went down, thanks to fortuitous obsessive digital hoarding I have both the old Significant Tornado Events and Strongest Tornado threads from the old site through about May 2014, perfectly intact with all posts and images through then (along with a few others such as the Joplin and May 2013 Moore/El Reno days) so if there's anything anyone wants me to pull from those I can do so. I'd repost them all here but would of course want explicit moderator approval before spamming the board.
So, there was a really good and thorough post on one of those threads about the 2011 Chickasha and Goldsby, OK tornadoes and how they both should have been rated EF5. I would to see that post again and all the damage pics & vids in one convenient location, if possible.
Also, one of those threads had a chart someone made of violent F4/EF4+ tornado tracks through the state of Alabama going back to 1920, and it was amazing show similar the tracks were in many cases. There was this one tornado in 1920 that was virtually identical to Hackleburg in path length, width and duration of intensity but it's hard to find much information about it. I'd like to see that post again as well.
 

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After reading many papers I find at least 5 cases that tornado winds peak at almost ground level even below 10m.
1998 Spencer F4 SD and 2005 Jayton F3 TX
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source:https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-88-1-31

2009 Goshen WY EF2
DOW winds(30m) more than 20% lower than TIV measured at 3.5 m.
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2012 Russell KS tornado
the peak wind intensity is very near the surface at ~5 m AGL, about 15% higher than at 10 m AGL and 25% higher than at ~40 m AGL.
source:https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/WAF-D-13-00070.1

2018 Inola OK tornado
winds measured at 2m was 15% higher than 10m level
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These cases at least indicated that in some situations tornado can peak at very low level, even below 10m.
There was also several cases that DOW winds were much higher than POD measured at 1m level but in all these cases PDOs were located at peripheral circulation of the tornado.
 

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So, there was a really good and thorough post on one of those threads about the 2011 Chickasha and Goldsby, OK tornadoes and how they both should have been rated EF5. I would to see that post again and all the damage pics & vids in one convenient location, if possible.
Also, one of those threads had a chart someone made of violent F4/EF4+ tornado tracks through the state of Alabama going back to 1920, and it was amazing show similar the tracks were in many cases. There was this one tornado in 1920 that was virtually identical to Hackleburg in path length, width and duration of intensity but it's hard to find much information about it. I'd like to see that post again as well.
Here is some damage images of Chickasha tornado
extreme ground souring
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car damage
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this house was labeled "EF5 candidate" in Damage Viewer
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There was also an document written by Tim marshall and two experts said that Chickasha may actually straddle EF5 line.(hard to find the link of this)
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So, there was a really good and thorough post on one of those threads about the 2011 Chickasha and Goldsby, OK tornadoes and how they both should have been rated EF5. I would to see that post again and all the damage pics & vids in one convenient location, if possible.
Also, one of those threads had a chart someone made of violent F4/EF4+ tornado tracks through the state of Alabama going back to 1920, and it was amazing show similar the tracks were in many cases. There was this one tornado in 1920 that was virtually identical to Hackleburg in path length, width and duration of intensity but it's hard to find much information about it. I'd like to see that post again as well.
Goldsby tornado had a host of clean slabs
It has been mentioned reached 200mph at times in NCDC database.
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extreme debarking and souring:
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car damage
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