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5/4/03 seems to be relatively forgotten these days, even though it remains one of the most destructive and violent Plains outbreaks of the millennium to date.
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5/4/03 seems to be relatively forgotten these days, even though it remains one of the most destructive and violent Plains outbreaks of the millennium to date.
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I know that many buildings in Europe (particularly western Europe ) are built with substantially heavier materials than in the US and likely require stronger winds to be destroyed, so perhaps what warrants an EF4 rating over there doesn't get any higher then EF3 over here. It does make it harder to assess the intensity of European tornado outbreaks, as one has to take into account European construction/architecture standards and how they stack up compared to US ones. I do know that meteorological boards in Europe are typically conservative when it comes to tornado ratings, so this might be an exception or it might not be (a building partially collapsed being rated F4 passes for conservative over there due to higher building codes). Just my two cents.
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The only thing I worry about is if TornadoTalk decides to file suit or shut down this forum because of someone posting articles for free on here. That said, it's irritating that stuff like the 1994 Appalachians Outbreak is now behind a paywall, as it's so hard to find information on that event. I understand stuff like Smithville or Hackleburg requiring payment (as those are newer events) but older ones shouldn't be restricted to paying consumers. Really frustrating how the "information superhighway" is becoming less and less "super" every year.
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I've already posted on the forum about the vehicle damage caused by the tornado in Funing. This is one of the most serious vehicle damage outside North America. The other one is the peeling of low trees, but I don't know where it is
It is worth mentioning that the strong vehicle damage of Funing tornado was in Beichen village, where a large container was thrown out for almost half a kilometer, so there may be another peak possibility of tornado here
Funing tornado is different from Mongolia tornado in 2014 or miar tornado in 2015. Large tornado is not suitable to cause obvious ground erosion, but there is still grassland erosion in some places
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Talking about Funing, my friends have presented a lot nasty damage pics, so here's just my collection, some of them you may have already seen.There was definitely extensive debarking, as well as vehicles being badly mangled. I think our contributors from China likely have the best photos that show this, but I know of a few as well. Interestingly, whatever species of trees these are have reddish wood underneath the bark.
Last year's Viterbo, Italy tornado was pretty intense based on some of the damage photos I've seen
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The before-after comparison viewing Funing's track using GE
The container mentioned above is a 2.5 ton empty one flew about 200-250 yrds with no ground contact, landed on a destroyed brick house, I believe AT LEAST one container was thrown and may be there's more.
The container mentioned above is a 2.5 ton empty one flew about 200-250 yrds with no ground contact, landed on a destroyed brick house, I believe AT LEAST one container was thrown and may be there's more.
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Another container, which weighs 2.5 tons and is located near the atlas plant, was thrown out of 200-250m. Another paper mentioned that the container in Beichen village was thrown out of 400-500m, which means that Funing tornado may have thrown out at least two containers
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Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Assuming I'm looking at them correctly, that first set of photos reminds me of Jarrell in terms of nothing but brown soil and debris left. Unless of course the photos are tinted to make the colors on the ground appear different.
I am not at all saying it's bad for TornadoTalk to secure a source of income. That's how you keep the lights on. What I AM saying is that putting articles that were previously free behind a paywall, was not exactly a good move in my opinion. When [news site] puts previously free articles behind a paywall (which is honestly a HUGE reason why I barely pay any attention to mainstream media anymore), the tactic doesn't become any better when TornadoTalk does the same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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No the scouring isn't that extensive. It is just tinted like that.
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I think it is caused by harvest works there just before the violent tornado hit.
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Not that "clean" as Jarrell but the damage swath was extremely wide, I didn't have the exact number of EF4 damage points but the conference I attended last year mentioned there are AT LEAST hundreds of EF4 damage points, and these points just scattered around the track, many of them were close to the centerline, however, some of them could be found at the outer edge of the damage path, assuming that tons of subvortices aid to this.
Also would like to mention about the different method used by Chinese Survey Team in field survey. The Chinese Survey Team tend to use drones rather than drive into the hardest hit area in person, the drones photograph the damage in multiple angle at different height, and then they embed the damage pics into GE, mapping the damage points using Micaps (a special Chinese severe weather platform used for drawing and analyzing weather chart, atomsphere heating, kinematics,etc), sth like DAT but not the exact same.
Here's some aerial photos in this article
[PDF] Recent significant tornadoes in China | Semantic Scholar
Compared with the United States, whose annual number of tornadoes can exceed 1000, the average number of tornadoes per year in China over the past half a century is estimated to be fewer than 100 (Fan and Yu, 2015), even though both countries are located in a similar latitudinal zone of the...
www.semanticscholar.org
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While not too significant in the scheme of things (fortunately), it appears at least from this video that the tornado near Lockett, TX today was rather impressive and probably had at least "strong" (EF2-3) damage potential.
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Haven't seen anyone else mentioned this before even NWS Norman seemed to have missed this place during their damage survey.This is a completely leveled foster home close to I-40 near Calumet OK during the 2011 El Reno-Piedmont EF5.The house located only a quarter of a mile away to the Calumet Factory (which was applied an EF3 rating by NWS Norman) and not far from the Cactus-117 oil rig site. However, if the extreme damage near Cactus-117 oil rig site can be called "extreme", I'd like to call the damage around this house "uncomprehensible". The house itself was swept clean, that's common for an EF5, but, meanwhile, the stone storm cellar of the house was cracked, left a big hole and actually I think it was being pulled out by the unbelievable force of the wind.We've seen concrete or cement foundation being slightly cracked by extremely violent tornadoes like Chapman and Hackleburg. But a stone storm cellar? Oh man that's something else, I do not think I've ever seen this type of damage and have no idea how strong the wind can be to tear a stone storm cellar, and what's more ridiculous is that, El reno was still strengthening at this point! A few miles to the east, the DOW measured a 295.5mph wind speed.
The family owner of this house hid in the storm cellar and remained miraculously unhurt. However their white pickup were thrown more than 600 yards away and only a engine can be found caked in the mud, the body of the pickup just vanished.
Several Tractors and Combines at this site weren't able to survive either. A heavy combine left only four tires, the rest part vanished as well.
This tractor was only left with an mangled axle, the houseowner described he walked down several hundred feet only to recover one tire, the other part of the tractor was nowhere to find
Ground scouring near the house was also "uncomprehensible".Tons of debris from the house, the factory and even the Cactus-117 oil rig were mixed together, granulated into small pieces and scattered across the muddy fields.
The family owner of this house hid in the storm cellar and remained miraculously unhurt. However their white pickup were thrown more than 600 yards away and only a engine can be found caked in the mud, the body of the pickup just vanished.
Several Tractors and Combines at this site weren't able to survive either. A heavy combine left only four tires, the rest part vanished as well.
This tractor was only left with an mangled axle, the houseowner described he walked down several hundred feet only to recover one tire, the other part of the tractor was nowhere to find
Ground scouring near the house was also "uncomprehensible".Tons of debris from the house, the factory and even the Cactus-117 oil rig were mixed together, granulated into small pieces and scattered across the muddy fields.
Here are some very rare tornado videos that have almost become pieces of lost media:
First video is of the 8/24/2006 Nicollet, MN tornado, filmed by two storm chasers.
Have you seen this picture of the tornado?
This photo was taken by Joshua Jans. He was one of the people behind this particular storm chase.
Here's the video, which has already been unlisted for unknown reasons. The site which originally offered the video for download also no longer has the video at all.
Second video is of a large wedge tornado that occurred near the town of Shatuny, Nytvensky district, Perm Krai, Russia. Unfortunately haven't been able to find any information on damage the tornado caused. The video was originally on the page of a meteorology group on VK, but has since been completely removed from that platform and this YouTube upload has again been unlisted for unknown reasons:
My only advice about videos like these: Save them while you can, before they become completely lost like the Anderson Hills tornado footage. Let's see how many tornado videos we can save from suffering the same fate.
First video is of the 8/24/2006 Nicollet, MN tornado, filmed by two storm chasers.
Have you seen this picture of the tornado?
This photo was taken by Joshua Jans. He was one of the people behind this particular storm chase.
Here's the video, which has already been unlisted for unknown reasons. The site which originally offered the video for download also no longer has the video at all.
Second video is of a large wedge tornado that occurred near the town of Shatuny, Nytvensky district, Perm Krai, Russia. Unfortunately haven't been able to find any information on damage the tornado caused. The video was originally on the page of a meteorology group on VK, but has since been completely removed from that platform and this YouTube upload has again been unlisted for unknown reasons:
My only advice about videos like these: Save them while you can, before they become completely lost like the Anderson Hills tornado footage. Let's see how many tornado videos we can save from suffering the same fate.
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Holy crap. I know Rainsville managed to partially heave an underground storm cellar out of the soil, but it didn't crack it like El Reno here did. The damage to the pickup truck reminds me of the 1990 Hitchcock County, NE tornado where a vehicle vanished and the owners were only able to find the grill and bumper of it for insurance purposes. Crazy. Stuff like this makes me wonder if El Reno 2011 was more intense than Bridge Creek-Moore 1999 or Moore 2013 (I'd say yes in both cases). Near the Cactus drilling site there was a junkyard that was supposedly obliterated, have you been able to find any pictures of that?
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Here are some very rare tornado videos that have almost become pieces of lost media:
First video is of the 8/24/2006 Nicollet, MN tornado, filmed by two storm chasers.
Have you seen this picture of the tornado?
This photo was taken by Joshua Jans. He was one of the people behind this particular storm chase.
Here's the video, which has already been unlisted for unknown reasons. The site which originally offered the video for download also no longer has the video at all.
Second video is of a large wedge tornado that occurred near the town of Shatuny, Nytvensky district, Perm Krai, Russia. Unfortunately haven't been able to find any information on damage the tornado caused. The video was originally on the page of a meteorology group on VK, but has since been completely removed from that platform and this YouTube upload has again been unlisted for unknown reasons:
My only advice about videos like these: Save them while you can, before they become completely lost like the Anderson Hills tornado footage. Let's see how many tornado videos we can save from suffering the same fate.
I have a feeling some footage of Red Rock has become unlisted on YouTube, I'm trying to find these videos I used to find easily before they vanished for whatever reason.
Also, that first photo of Nicollet I've seen attributed as Rochelle, IL or a couple of 4/27/11 tornadoes. Interesting stuff.
Can you describe what happens in the particular footage you're looking for?
Unfortunately the only way to find unlisted videos is to hope someone added them to a tornado playlist, that's how I found those two videos.
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It's the one that ends with dead cattle wedged underneath a guardrail.