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Next 5/6/1965 tornado: the 2nd Fridley tornado. This large and deadly tornado touched down in extreme NW Minneapolis and moved NNE striking the Northern Ordnance, Inc further damaging it. Steel transmission towers were also downed near the facility by the 2nd tornado. After unroofing and ripping apart numerous homes and a school in Fridley, its direction shifted straight north and devastated the Rice Creek Terrace neighborhood. It is here where the tornado reached maximum intensity. Multiple homes were completely leveled and a row of 6 homes was swept away. Trees in the forest behind the subdivision were debarked. After this point, the tornado weakened slightly but grew to a width of ~1260 yards with the eastern edge destroying mobile homes in a trailer park. The tornado then moved into Spring Lake Park where it damaged another school and destroyed more homes before dissipating near the intersection of Hwy 65 & Hwy 10.
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I've been looking around with the newspapers.com free trial lately, and wow, it is an absolute GEM for Tornado History Enthusiasts. Here are some of the most notable images I've found below:

Remains of Lower Peach Tree, AL after an F4 Tornado slammed right into the community in the early morning hours on March 21, 1913

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Aerial of the Sneed, AR area after it was hit by an F5 Tornado on April 10th, 1929

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Remains of the McDonald Chapel, AL area after the tornado of April 15th, 1956

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A tornado-torn Primrose, NE in 1965

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Hamburg, IN after the F4 Tornado of April 3, 1974

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Violent Tornado Damage from a tornado in the Bright, IN area on June 2, 1990. This is the only photographic evidence of violent tornado damage I have seen from a tornado that day. I feel terrible for that poor kid...

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A devastated subdivision in Murfreesboro, TN after an F4 Tornado hit it on January 24, 1997

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An aerial view shows the wrecked aftermath of a trailer park from the 2000 Pine Lake, Alberta Tornado

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The remains of the Fairfield Subdivision after the catastrophic wind came to Madison, MS on November 24th, 2001

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Do y’all think Moore 2013 or Bridge Creek 1999 was stronger? in my humble opinion, i’m on 2013s side
Depends where you look at it. I'll tell ya the intensity reached by 1999 in the Bridge Creek area and the intensity reached by 2013 in Moore was quite similar, although I think 1999 has the edge.
 

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I think Moore 2013 produced more intense damage in general. the ground scouring was Jarrell Esque
The ground scouring produced by the 2013 Tornado was significantly aided by the sheer amount of flying debris within the funnel of the tornado itself. The debris also aided in the intensity of tree debarking as well, since debarking is usually done by debris. The 1999 Tornado was able to achieve this on a similar level while hitting less substantial structures. This is what mainly drives my opinion.
 

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The ground scouring produced by the 2013 Tornado was significantly aided by the sheer amount of flying debris within the funnel of the tornado itself. The debris also aided in the intensity of tree debarking as well, since debarking is usually done by debris. The 1999 Tornado was able to achieve this on a similar level while hitting less substantial structures. This is what mainly drives my opinion.
True, but it is really hard to decide which was stronger
 
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True, but it is really hard to decide which was stronger
Bridge Creek-Moore 1999 was definitely way more intense, the ground scouring and low-lying vegetation stripping it did in the Bridge Creek area was among the most intense ever documented and this would have been when going through a rural area with a very low amount of structures to aid in that. The radar measurements when it was over the Bridge Creek area were unbelievable. The 1999 tornado was on the ground for nearly 1.5 hours, whereas Moore 2013 only lasted for 40 minutes or so. While tornado duration isn't a surefire indicator of intensity, I do think the supercell that spawned the 1999 event was much more powerful and had much energy, and thus so did the tornado. I will concede that Moore 2013 did much more intense damage to the city of Moore itself, whereas the 1999 tornado had weakened to F4 status by the time it reached Moore and only did a handful of instances of F5 damage in the Moore city limits after briefly re-strengthening for small periods of time.
So, it depends how you want to look at it.
 

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Bridge Creek-Moore 1999 was definitely way more intense, the ground scouring and low-lying vegetation stripping it did in the Bridge Creek area was among the most intense ever documented and this would have been when going through a rural area with a very low amount of structures to aid in that. The radar measurements when it was over the Bridge Creek area were unbelievable. The 1999 tornado was on the ground for nearly 1.5 hours, whereas Moore 2013 only lasted for 40 minutes or so. While tornado duration isn't a surefire indicator of intensity, I do think the supercell that spawned the 1999 event was much more powerful and had much energy, and thus so did the tornado. I will concede that Moore 2013 did much more intense damage to the city of Moore itself, whereas the 1999 tornado had weakened to F4 status by the time it reached Moore and only did a handful of instances of F5 damage in the Moore city limits after briefly re-strengthening for small periods of time.
So, it depends how you want to look at it.
Yeah i do agree with you. Bridge Creek was very violent and was for sure more violent than Moore 2013
 
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I've been looking around with the newspapers.com free trial lately, and wow, it is an absolute GEM for Tornado History Enthusiasts. Here are some of the most notable images I've found below:

Remains of Lower Peach Tree, AL after an F4 Tornado slammed right into the community in the early morning hours on March 21, 1913

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Aerial of the Sneed, AR area after it was hit by an F5 Tornado on April 10th, 1929

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Remains of the McDonald Chapel, AL area after the tornado of April 15th, 1956

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A tornado-torn Primrose, NE in 1965

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Hamburg, IN after the F4 Tornado of April 3, 1974

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Violent Tornado Damage from a tornado in the Bright, IN area on June 2, 1990. This is the only photographic evidence of violent tornado damage I have seen from a tornado that day. I feel terrible for that poor kid...

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A devastated subdivision in Murfreesboro, TN after an F4 Tornado hit it on January 24, 1997

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An aerial view shows the wrecked aftermath of a trailer park from the 2000 Pine Lake, Alberta Tornado

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The remains of the Fairfield Subdivision after the catastrophic wind came to Madison, MS on November 24th, 2001

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I'll have to give that site a try sometime. Out of curiosity have you been able to find anything on there from Guin or the 1974 Tanner tornadoes?
 
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The Brandenburg Tornado is what i like to call “ The Smithville tornado of the 1970s “ because it was very likely the most violent of the 1970s. yes even more than the Smithfield tornado and possibly more than the Niles tornado of the 1980s and Andover Tornado.
 

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I'll have to give that site a try sometime. Out of curiosity have you been able to find anything on there from Guin or the 1974 Tanner tornadoes?

I think this was the plant at Guin that was hit directly

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Bridge Creek-Moore 1999 was definitely way more intense, the ground scouring and low-lying vegetation stripping it did in the Bridge Creek area was among the most intense ever documented and this would have been when going through a rural area with a very low amount of structures to aid in that. The radar measurements when it was over the Bridge Creek area were unbelievable. The 1999 tornado was on the ground for nearly 1.5 hours, whereas Moore 2013 only lasted for 40 minutes or so. While tornado duration isn't a surefire indicator of intensity, I do think the supercell that spawned the 1999 event was much more powerful and had much energy, and thus so did the tornado. I will concede that Moore 2013 did much more intense damage to the city of Moore itself, whereas the 1999 tornado had weakened to F4 status by the time it reached Moore and only did a handful of instances of F5 damage in the Moore city limits after briefly re-strengthening for small periods of time.
So, it depends how you want to look at it.
Moore 2013 also went through more rural areas before it went into the town of Moore. The damage in these areas with less structure nearby was also extreme like ground severely scoured, trees and shrubs 100% debarked, cars also mangled. (Near May Avenue for example)Oil tanks that Bridge Creek tossed in rural area wasn't longer than Moore 2013 either. The damage Moore 2013 in rural areas often get overlooked and likely tornado reached peak intensity before it hit the town. Actually Moore 2013 did 200mph rating, near EF5 damage right after it fully condensed and the visual apperance remained violent level right before it lifted. The duration of a tornado maintained has no direct correlation with its peak intensity at all. Smithville wasn't very long-lived compared to many other violent tornados that day.Chetek MI 2017 tornado maintained like two and a half hour and was an EF3 level tornado.
I would say both of them were strongest tornado in the history. The existing DI cann't distinguish which one was more violent. In this situation, any affirmative judgment is purely subjective.
 
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Again, as is so often the case with Guin, I wish I had either a color or aerial photo (or both) in order to get more appreciative context for what I'm looking at. That being said, this does look pretty violent, assuming it was the mobile home manufacturing plant that was leveled as mentioned in a couple of books
 
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Everybody talks about the big three, Goldsby, Chickasha, and the mighty El Reno Tornado. However, the first big tornado of the day has a very strong case for it being quite similar in intensity to the big three. Touching down at a camp lake near Canton Lake, the tornado rapidly intensified and severely damaged the camp as it moved offshore. The tornado passed near Longdale. One of the subvortexes within the tornado produced significant ground scouring and scoured a concrete road along a very narrow swath in this part of the path, something that I am sure was not accomplished by any of the other tornadoes that day.

View of the scouring from the subvortex. You can see the scoured concrete road in the background

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Another view of the scoured concrete road

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Severe tree debarking on the other side of Canton Lake. Tree debarking is usually done by debris. The tornado had been over the lake for a good 5-10 minutes before coming ashore. These trees were the first thing it came into contact with upon making landfall.

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Another view of the asphalt scouring:


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A completely debarked tree:

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Aerial view of the trailer park and surrounding area afterwards:

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Apparently these two objects are stuck in the wood of the tree. If that's the case, incredible:

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Spectacular of it as it was crossing the lake. The rotation on this thing is pretty intense for an EF3.




Also, I might be wrong but I thought there were radar velocities of up to 190 mph recorded in this thing. Yes, I know it can't be rated based on the wind speed but it is an indicator that this thing was more intense than its official rating.
 

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Another view of the asphalt scouring:


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A completely debarked tree:

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Aerial view of the trailer park and surrounding area afterwards:

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Apparently these two objects are stuck in the wood of the tree. If that's the case, incredible:

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Spectacular of it as it was crossing the lake. The rotation on this thing is pretty intense for an EF3.




Also, I might be wrong but I thought there were radar velocities of up to 190 mph recorded in this thing. Yes, I know it can't be rated based on the wind speed but it is an indicator that this thing was more intense than its official rating.

That second photo has always puzzled me. One tree is completely debarked and spattered with topsoil, and the one immediately next to it has sustained very little damage.
 
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That second photo has always puzzled me. One tree is completely debarked and spattered with topsoil, and the one immediately next to it has sustained very little damage.
Either an extremely narrow suction vortex did this or perhaps it's a species of tree that is more prone to severe debarking? No clue either.

The source is this article with slideshow:

 
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