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Is casuarina head "Bull Shark" from the old Talkweather?
That’s what I’m wonderingIs casuarina head "Bull Shark" from the old Talkweather?
The pickup truck being carried 20 miles by the Forgotten F5 came from the April 1998 Storm Data Publication but it was probably a typo or something.Ok. Hold up. I’m putting some pieces together here.
All I’m going to say, is that suspect somebody has been making unfounded claims regarding the Prague, OK and Clinton, AR tornadoes for years. First off, I’ve searched thoroughly through documents trying to find any evidence about the oil tanks and alleged scouring associated with Prague-Iron Post, and found absolutely nothing. In fact, I’ve found no solid evidence of any kind of publication containing this information ever existing. Regarding Clinton, I remember someone sending me pictures of “ground scouring” from that event, which actually showed some mud puddles and water damage in a grassy field, along with moderate tree and vehicle damage.
Oh also a certain someone started a rumor about the Kellerville, TX tornado sweeping away a house so thoroughly, that that survey team missed it, while this actually happened near Arkansas City, KS during the Andover outbreak.
Sorry if this sounds confrontational, but this current thread is full of valuable and verifiable information, and I hope it stays that way.
CAL made some unfounded, fantastical posts, but overall seemed like he had a decent head on his shoulders. He did a very interesting, albeit slightly hyperbolic survey of apparent violent damage at the Holly Springs Motorsports Park after the 2015 EF4.I remember a user from the old threat with the name of "Cal" who would post stuff like this with the most deadpan and utmost sincerity, he almost derailed a couple of the threads before being kicked off (I think) by moderators. Hopefully he hasn't registered under a new name as well.
If only we had damage photographs from that event.Also, I believe the 2008 Clinton tornado was not the strongest tornado recorded in February or the most EF/F5-worthy one. I believe the candidates for that claim go to Rockingham NC, Leeds AL, Caves Spring GA, Cagle GA from the 1884 Enigma Outbreak.
I've met him IRL a few times, very very kind and contagiously passionate about meteorology. He seems like a smart guy but he definitely had his "theories". I don't personally recall him derailing anything though, just expressing a different perspective. I also wasn't as appraised at historical discussion as y'all are. I don't have any criticisms to make but in person he was an extremely polite and pleasant guy.I remember a user from the old threat with the name of "Cal" who would post stuff like this with the most deadpan and utmost sincerity, he almost derailed a couple of the threads before being kicked off (I think) by moderators. Hopefully he hasn't registered under a new name as well.
Ah, OK, I take back the stuff I said about him then.I've met him IRL a few times, very very kind and contagiously passionate about meteorology. He seems like a smart guy but he definitely had his "theories". I don't personally recall him derailing anything though, just expressing a different perspective. I also wasn't as appraised at historical discussion as y'all are. I don't have any criticisms to make but in person he was an extremely polite and pleasant guy.
I don't think he's had any infractions, just not as active here as much.
The data of Spencer tornado was invaluable beacuse it gives us a glimpse of what winds actually looks like for a certain damage. It should be noted that even without significant debris impact, winds measured by DOW was still only the mean winds of a radar resolution volume and can still be very different from the actual wind speeds.(typically the low bound of actual wind speed). There were people argue that winds inside tornado was lower at 10m compared with a several dozen meters above it, but it should be noted that tornados have tremendous radial flow below 10m which was unsampled by most of the measurement cases. There were already evidences that tornado winds can maximize below 10m in some cases.The highest 5-s average wind speed at each location on the grid revealed that a nearly 100-m-wide path between Third and Second Streets on the west side of the town experienced a 5-s average wind at or above 100 m s−1 (Fig. 8a). The highest 5-s average wind speed had a maximum of about 112 m s−1 on the western edge of town around Third Street. The highest 60-s average wind speed at each point in the town showed a 50-m swath across the south-central portion of the town between Second and Third Streets where this parameter reached a maximum of just over 80 m s−1
Yes, indeed, and I also went by the monikers Ground Scouring and snowflake22 on both the original and revived American Weather fora. At no point under my latest iteration did I present rumours as fact, but merely noted that I was reiterating them to the best of my recollection(s), while not presenting them outright as “factual.” Obscure reports do tend to fascinate me, as always, and in this sense I bear some sense of kinship with CAL, although, unlike him, I do have high-functioning autism that muddles the link between the left and right hemispheres, hence the “scatterbrained,” impressionistic vibe, if not nature, of my otherwise highly detailed contributions. Sometimes I can engage in superficially technical matters, on a broad scale, so long as I corral my left hemisphere effectively.Is Casuarina Head "Bull Shark" from the old TalkWeather?
See above.CAL made some unfounded, fantastical posts, but overall seemed like he had a decent head on his shoulders. He did a very interesting, albeit slightly hyperbolic survey of apparent violent damage at the Holly Springs Motorsports Park after the 2015 EF4.
The person I had in mind is who Andy mentioned, Bull Shark, who is responsible for a laundry list of unfounded rumours surrounding various tornado events among various forums. He’s highly scatterbrained, gets basic info confused with other events, and I suspect he’s made another sock puppet account judging by some of the above posts.
This is interesting, given the 1987 Yellowstone Tornado that occurred nearby this area. I've seen some speculation that the 1987 event was also a downburst, or the tornado had a much shorter path length then originally documented and the majority of the damage was actually downburst damage. I don't buy much of that but figured I might as well mention it, given the similarities with this event in terms of location and being a possible mixture of downburst and tornado. Hopefully I'm not misinterpreting something I read.I believe the NWS misclassified a tornado as a microburst in 2010 and it occurred in West Yellowstone MT. The damage occurred in a narrow SW-NE swath, the violent winds did not last long (only a few seconds to a minute), numerous people reported seeing a funnel cloud, videos show strong rotation in the cloud base shortly before the event begin, radar data shows broad rotation high up in the storm and a nearby weather station recorded a sudden drop in pressure usually associated with a mesocyclone. It seems that a brief EF0-EF1 touchdown was responsible for the damage vs a microburst.
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This article is about what is, to the best of my knowledge, the highest confirmed tornado in the United States. It occurred in the Rockwell Pass area of Sequoia National Park, California at an elevation of 12,156 feet.While we're on the topic of mountain tornadoes, on August 11,1993 an F3 (possibly F4) tornado caused impressive damage at elevations ranging from roughly 8,000 to almost 12,000 feet in the High Uintas Wilderness, Utah. Excellent article on Tornado Talk: https://www.tornadotalk.com/high-uintas-wilderness-ut-f3-tornado-august-11-1993/
Another one of arguably the most unique tornadoes in recent history formed over the Weston Pass Fire in Colorado on July 5, 2018. Elevation almost 10,000 feet. Reports say the tornado caused "no damage" and I can't find any information on an EF rating though this video seems to prove otherwise:
Another video:
Another one that was likely incorrectly classified was the Athens, OH “downburst” of September 2010. It happened on the same day as the Reedsville, OH/Bellville, WV EF3 and the fatal NYC EF1. YouTube of videos of the event show a clearly rotating broad funnel. The damage in the area had evidence of convergent winds too, but was still classified as a downburst. I’m almost certain that it was a tornado of high-end EF1 to EF2 strength.I believe the NWS misclassified a tornado as a microburst in 2010 and it occurred in West Yellowstone MT. The damage occurred in a narrow SW-NE swath, the violent winds did not last long (only a few seconds to a minute), numerous people reported seeing a funnel cloud, videos show strong rotation in the cloud base shortly before the event begin, radar data shows broad rotation high up in the storm and a nearby weather station recorded a sudden drop in pressure usually associated with a mesocyclone. It seems that a brief EF0-EF1 touchdown was responsible for the damage vs a microburst.
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Downbursts don’t debark trees or scour topsoil and I don’t buy the hypothesis that most or all of the 1987 event was a downburst.This is interesting, given the 1987 Yellowstone Tornado that occurred nearby this area. I've seen some speculation that the 1987 event was also a downburst, or the tornado had a much shorter path length then originally documented and the majority of the damage was actually downburst damage. I don't buy much of that but figured I might as well mention it, given the similarities with this event in terms of location and being a possible mixture of downburst and tornado. Hopefully I'm not misinterpreting something I read.