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Yeah he downgraded 4 F5’s and what looks like 9 F4’s from April 3 1974. Really curious as to what his reasoning behind that was and which tornadoes got downgraded. Also curious as to why he left 4/27/2011 at 4 EF5’s, I think you could argue at the least 2 EF4’s from that day could be bumped up. Who knows, kind of wondering if there’s a secondary person or source influencing him to keep the ratings the same for violent tornadoes from the more modern day events.
 
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Yeah he downgraded 4 F5’s and what looks like 9 F4’s from April 3 1974. Really curious as to what his reasoning behind that was and which tornadoes got downgraded. Also curious as to why he left 4/27/2011 at 4 EF5’s, I think you could argue at the least 2 EF4’s from that day could be bumped up. Who knows, kind of wondering if there’s a secondary person or source influencing him to keep the ratings the same for violent tornadoes from the more modern day events.
I have no desire to purchase the SIGNIFICANT TORNADOES update, as it seems like he isn't really changing all that much. Apparently he's going with EF4 for Vilonia, I mean, really?
 
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It passed without notice on here but Friday was the 10th anniversary of the November 2013 tornado outbreak that included the Washington, IL EF4.
On that topic, this video. Aside from a great example of what NOT to do when a tornado approaches, it's probably the most incredible near-miss of death by tornado out there (or one of them). Note at 2:40 or so on the lower right of the screen the piece of roof slamming into the ground; it's a blink and you'll miss it moment.

 

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On that topic, this video. Aside from a great example of what NOT to do when a tornado approaches, it's probably the most incredible near-miss of death by tornado out there (or one of them). Note at 2:40 or so on the lower right of the screen the piece of roof slamming into the ground; it's a blink and you'll miss it moment.


I’ve never noticed that chunk of roof imbedding itself into the ground in that video, that’s insane.

Probably the strongest tornado ever documented in the month of November and one of the most violent winter-time tornadoes too. These aerials will always be extremely impressive:
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I have a hard time believing that out of the literal sea of homes that were completely wiped off their foundation there wasn’t at least one home that didn’t meet the criteria for an EF5 rating, especially given how large and recently-constructed those homes were in that neighborhood, unless the builders really did just skip all the proper building codes (which I highly doubt.)

Also have seen the argument that the homes swept clean didn’t have their subflooring removed, which is also a flawed point as seen in the aerials and this photo:
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Then there’s this pretty hefty swath of wind-rowing the tornado left behind, which is easily the most violent case of wind-rowing I’ve seen in a winter-time tornado, and is also a pretty clear indicator just how violent the tornado was:
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I’ve never noticed that chunk of roof imbedding itself into the ground in that video, that’s insane.

Probably the strongest tornado ever documented in the month of November and one of the most violent winter-time tornadoes too. These aerials will always be extremely impressive:
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I have a hard time believing that out of the literal sea of homes that were completely wiped off their foundation there wasn’t at least one home that didn’t meet the criteria for an EF5 rating, especially given how large and recently-constructed those homes were in that neighborhood, unless the builders really did just skip all the proper building codes (which I highly doubt.)

Also have seen the argument that the homes swept clean didn’t have their subflooring removed, which is also a flawed point as seen in the aerials and this photo:
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Then there’s this pretty hefty swath of wind-rowing the tornado left behind, which is easily the most violent case of wind-rowing I’ve seen in a winter-time tornado, and is also a pretty clear indicator just how violent the tornado was:
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The wind-rowing from this or one of the February 1971 Mississippi Delta tornadoes is likely the most extreme damage I've seen from a winter tornado, based on TornadoTalk's articles on 1971. Yeah, this should've been rated EF5, and was likely a precursor to the Vilonia debacle.
 

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So the F5-F6 tornadoes book does exist after all?

Only know of like, one other copy that anyone has talked about in the last decade or so but at least a few exist, randomly found it on Amazon

I didn't want to be the one to ask, but...

Can you post the entry for Vilonia so we can finally put the curiosity to rest?

I'm not noticing any rating changes, seems the expansion is mostly just documentation (with many full color photos) and the occasional opinion on tornadoes that hit very little but were probably much stronger; Vilonia is listed as EF4, the only opinion being some homes in Parkwood Meadows had questionable anchoring

I'm kinda curious about which tornadoes from 74 he downgraded. Sayler park seems a gimme.

Looks like all the original 1974 ratings are intact, a few new photos (including from Jasper pretty close to home, interesting to see) but not seeing significant changes
 
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I'm not noticing any rating changes, seems the expansion is mostly just documentation (with many full color photos) and the occasional opinion on tornadoes that hit very little but were probably much stronger; Vilonia is listed as EF4, the only opinion being some homes in Parkwood Meadows had questionable anchoring
Does it include that explanation he mentioned when he said he was walking back the EF5 rating?
 
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Only know of like, one other copy that anyone has talked about in the last decade or so but at least a few exist, randomly found it on Amazon



I'm not noticing any rating changes, seems the expansion is mostly just documentation (with many full color photos) and the occasional opinion on tornadoes that hit very little but were probably much stronger; Vilonia is listed as EF4, the only opinion being some homes in Parkwood Meadows had questionable anchoring



Looks like all the original 1974 ratings are intact, a few new photos (including from Jasper pretty close to home, interesting to see) but not seeing significant changes
What did he say about Goldsby & Chickasha 2011, Chapman 2016 & Tuscaloosa-Birmingham?
Also, from 1974 are there any photos from Guin?
 

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I'm not noticing any rating changes, seems the expansion is mostly just documentation (with many full color photos) and the occasional opinion on tornadoes that hit very little but were probably much stronger; Vilonia is listed as EF4, the only opinion being some homes in Parkwood Meadows had questionable anchoring
When it's been stated many times that Parkwood Meadows isn't the area in question to begin with...
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Oh well. He did say he wasn't going to upgrade it, so no surprise there.
 

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Speaking of Vilonia and the conservative shroud it cast over many WFO's for years after, the 4/28/14 Limestone County, AL tornado from the same outbreak was slapped with a low-end EF3 rating despite some of the damage being potentially violent. Multiple homes were obliterated and slabbed, and extensive wind rowing of debris occurred in some areas.


*these aerials from Sellers Photo were taken the day after the tornado, so no cleanup here.
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Speaking of Vilonia and the conservative shroud it cast over many WFO's for years after, the 4/28/14 Limestone County, AL tornado from the same outbreak was slapped with a low-end EF3 rating despite some of the damage being potentially violent. Multiple homes were obliterated and slabbed, and extensive wind rowing of debris occurred in some areas.


*these aerials from Sellers Photo were taken the day after the tornado, so no cleanup here.
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