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Hello Loco. Glad your doing a story on the 1985 outbreak. The link is for the PA - highway write up in case you haven't read it. Very Good read. Also There is a 7 part series on UTube With the scout troop that was in the Parker Dam Tornado. Very lucky to have survived it. There was special booklet put out on the event with lot of pic's and stories. I live about 80mi. directly south of the Moshannon Tornado near Altoona. Had it gone through this area it would have been devastating. Anyway. Looking forward to your review. Rob
Thanks Rob! The PA Highways site is definitely informative. That scout troop got super lucky - the CCC cabin was pretty robust, but they were also near the edge of the path. Bit further north and they might've really been in trouble. I've been in touch with one of the guys who was there but haven't heard back from him in a while.
 

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Oh, speaking of the Moshannon tornado, finally got some of the aerial photos I've been waiting on and a few of them show a glimpse of the fascinating airflow patterns. This is near Parker Lake, so it's not even a particularly rugged area compared to some places further east.

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Is it just me or do the best, minimally or non-watermarked tornado videos get the least views?
That one of the Stanton tornado in its wedge stage is great, but the others are hit or miss. The first one has the color saturation turned up way too high.
 
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I was doing some very in-depth digging on newspapers.com and came across this photo of destruction from a tornado at Aberdeen, MS on April 20th, 1920. Very impressive damage.

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A bit hard to tell what I'm looking at, is that extreme ground scouring or vegetation damage?
Also, the tornado that struck Aberdeen was the same tornado that crossed over into Alabama and struck areas in Marion County that were just north of Hackleburg and Phil Campbell, yes the entire 130 miles of this could've been a tornado family, but given Dixie long-trackers it's probable that at least 100 miles of it was a single violent wedge. Really hope more photos from this outbreak can be uncovered at some point, there's none in the MWR report on it.
 

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In all fairness, one shouldn't expect amateur footage to have the same level of "polish" as professionally-filmed footage.
Turning up the color saturation to 1000 isn't a flaw in the footage. And that's not my point. There are many, many "amateur" tornado videos from the 90s and even 2000s/2010s that exceed most storm chaser/"professional" footage out there.

Don't you think that is being a little bit petty?
No, not really.
 

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Turning up the color saturation to 1000 isn't a flaw in the footage. And that's not my point. There are many, many "amateur" tornado videos from the 90s and even 2000s/2010s that exceed most storm chaser/"professional" footage out there.


No, not really.
First of all, if you want to nitpick details about the footage then complain to the videographers. Complaining about it to me does nothing.

Did I ever say that all storm chaser fooage out there is the best? No, and if anything the best footage does come from the general public. But my point is in that terms of the level of polish in regards to things such as stabilization, color saturation, exposure, resolution among other things, professional footage is generally more well-rounded. Simply because not everyone wants to shell out $700 for a copy of Sony Vegas to make minor adjustments to videos.
 

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...you posted the videos?

Y'all are taking this way too personally.
 

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...you posted the videos?

Y'all are taking this way too personally.
Then don't tell me the videos I post are worthless. If you don't like em don't watch em, simple as that. IMO all tornado videos have value and many are underappreciated.

That being said, I'm not going to argue because I don't want to be the one who ruins this thread with an argument over whether a video is overexposed or has too much color saturation.
 

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Then don't tell me the videos I post are worthless. If you don't like em don't watch em, simple as that. IMO all tornado videos have value and many are underappreciated.

That being said, I'm not going to argue because I don't want to be the one who ruins this thread with an argument over whether a video is overexposed or has too much color saturation.
Dude, the only one who would ruin the thread in this case is you from getting unnecessarily mad about a valid critique. Especially if you would take two seconds to look at the rest of the videos on the channel the Stanton video in question is from and realize the channel is run by an actual video producer whose LinkedIn mentions their experience in post production, implying they do, in fact, have access to the expensive softwares in question, and would actually imply the oversaturation (and for that matter to my eyes the contrast) was a stylistic choice and hence purposefully applied in post production. But we’ve digressed a ways from the thread’s purpose and I for one wouldn’t mind getting back on topic.
 
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Never knew a photo of the April 27, 1942 Pryor, OK tornado existed. This tornado got a WHOLE lot more attention than the F4 tornado that hit the Oklahoma City Suburbs in June that year because of the Battle of Midway in WWII.

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I wish there were damage photos available of the June 12, 1942 event. It sounds like it was very violent and devastating based on the descriptions of the area affected, potentially similar to the 1999 and 2013 events.
 

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Dude, the only one who would ruin the thread in this case is you from getting unnecessarily mad about a valid critique. Especially if you would take two seconds to look at the rest of the videos on the channel the Stanton video in question is from and realize the channel is run by an actual video producer whose LinkedIn mentions their experience in post production, implying they do, in fact, have access to the expensive softwares in question, and would actually imply the oversaturation (and for that matter to my eyes the contrast) was a stylistic choice and hence purposefully applied in post production. But we’ve digressed a ways from the thread’s purpose and I for one wouldn’t mind getting back on topic.
*sigh*... guess it never takes two to argue. Blame one person then play innocent.

Back on topic, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Hallam tornado had recieved an F5 rating pre 1997-1999 or so. It certainly would have gotten an F5 rating in the 1970's when Fujita was most active. While the damage isn't particularly impressive when compared to other F5/EF5 tornadoes, if Greensburg got an EF5 rating I could definitely see a low-end F5 rating being squeezed out of Hallam.
This one well-bolted home in particular outside of Hallam reminds me of an EF5-rated damage point from Moore 2013:
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Moore:
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*sigh*... guess it never takes two to argue. Blame one person then play innocent.

Back on topic, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Hallam tornado had recieved an F5 rating pre 1997-1999 or so. It certainly would have gotten an F5 rating in the 1970's when Fujita was most active. While the damage isn't particularly impressive when compared to other F5/EF5 tornadoes, if Greensburg got an EF5 rating I could definitely see a low-end F5 rating being squeezed out of Hallam.
This one well-bolted home in particular outside of Hallam reminds me of an EF5-rated damage point from Moore 2013:
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Moore:
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It’s pretty hard to tell if there anchor bolts on the foundation of the Hallam house
 

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I wish there were damage photos available of the June 12, 1942 event. It sounds like it was very violent and devastating based on the descriptions of the area affected, potentially similar to the 1999 and 2013 events.
I know I've got more somewhere, but I can't find them at the moment. Here are a few:

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It’s pretty hard to tell if there anchor bolts on the foundation of the Hallam house
Aren't those anchor bolts in the foreground? I could be wrong though, but I have read that at least one well-bolted home was swept away outside of Hallam.

Regardless, I know that the more common photos of home damage in Hallam (a 100-year old likely unanchored block foundation farmhouse) definitely wouldn't warrant an F5 rating.
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I do note in the second photo where the 2x4 closest to the camera seems to have "pivoted" at the point where an anchor bolt was located, while the cut nails also visible have had virtually no effect on securing the home.
 
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