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Archive 2017-2019 Political Thread

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gangstonc said:
Not in cyber security after they previously hacked an election. That’s ridiculous. Please tell me how it makes sense.
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I think you have your blinders on. This has nothing to do with the election. We work with countries all the time for reasons we do not at all understand. Nor can we because we do not have all of the information.
 
JayF said:
I think you have your blinders on. This has nothing to do with the election. We work with countries all the time for reasons we do not at all understand. Nor can we because we do not have all of the information.
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I know what they did. You do too. It’s not right to excuse that.
 
Cybersecurity alliances should only be conducted with countries that are your strongest allies and that you can explicitly trust. Countries that have breached/hacked into our nation's cyber systems should not be our partners in cybersecurity... opening the door to the hen house for the coyotes
 
ghost said:
Cybersecurity alliances should only be conducted with countries that are your strongest allies and that you can explicitly trust. Countries that have breached/hacked into our nation's cyber systems should not be our partners in cybersecurity... opening the door to the hen house for the coyotes
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Partnering with them doesn't mean giving them the keys to kingdom. Someone with experience in Cybersecurity help me out here.
 
JayF said:
Partnering with them doesn't mean giving them the keys to kingdom. Someone with experience in Cybersecurity help me out here.
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It's really tough... I'm not a fan of partnering with them as they provide active support Iran, N. Korea and Syria. Can't really see the overall benefit of working with them since they have such an active role in working with groups that work so hard against us. I would say the same about China except the reasoning would be that they are so deadset on stealing intellectual property at all costs. I can't think of what information we would provide these two that they don't already know or without giving them information that could lead to them to use our sources and methods against us. It would take a pretty convincing argument to convince me otherwise. The one exception is if this is an agreement to open a channel of cybersecurity communication. The red phone of the cybersecurity world. If and when we see a massive attack one day, it would be good to have a hardened channel in place to ensure that we are talking to each other.
 
But it’s funny,(not ha ha funny) that foreign policy is so cut and dry for some. As if we don’t work with them to an extent we can in our own interest. Remember Russian “Reset Button”? Remember “wait until I’m re-elected.”?
We don’t try to influence elections and regime change in other countries? Of Allies and enemies?
I’ll admit I didn’t trust Obama on any foreign policy. So I’ll concede people have the same prerogative with Trump.
 
gangstonc said:
Ummm, I have experience in cyber security. Can’t help you out. I would share nothing with these guys. There’s no trust.
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I also have experience in CyberSecurity. I am Glad Wes chimed in. The reason I asked for others is well you refute everything I say without really reading what I say.

So here is my last comment on the subject. CyberSecurity is a tough enterprise considering the internet is world wide. Sure we put safe guards in place but there is no possible way to block everything from a country coming in. Hackers will find a way. So while we shouldn't give them detailed information about some of our efforts we should in my opinion work with other countries. You may say that we shouldn't trust Russia. Do you think they trust us? So it's more of a coordination to work together and maybe some of the hacking will be slowed down.

I just think if you don't work with other countries, you put us on an island by ourselves set for destruction.
 
Lindsey graham wanted the transcripts released. After they were released and confirmed the quid pro quo, here is what he did:


The leadership in our govt is broken.
 
Wait... he changed his story... Wow! Link to ABCNews story quoted below.

Gordon Sondland, a key witness in President Donald Trump’s impeachment inquiry, said he personally delivered the message to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted, according to testimony released Tuesday.

The disclosure of a direct “quid pro quo” was made in congressional testimony Sondland revised after he said other witnesses “refreshed my recollection about conversations involving the suspension of U.S. aid.”
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dem...olker-closed-door-testimony/story?id=66763869
 
KoD said:
Close race in Kentucky, neck & neck
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The Dem won by about 4600 votes but didn't quite get 50%.. so will this stand or will there be a runoff without the Libertarian who got 2%? I'm sure the Repub will demand a recount too
 
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