Significant Tornado Events

[Western_KS_Wx]

I've always heard that Macksville in particular was violent and I honestly don't know; there really isn't much to go off with.

Assuming you’re referring to the 4th and final wedge from the Greensburg supercell, I think that one was actually probably the weakest of the bunch.

Hopewell and Macksville get mixed up occasionally, but both Hopewell and Trousdale were almost certainly EF5-strength tornadoes. I haven’t seen anything yet from Macksville that would indicate clear EF4+ intensity, though tree damage in some spots early in its life did appear pretty high-end.

 

[Eoline]

both Hopewell and Trousdale were almost certainly EF5-strength tornadoes.

Interesting. I've looked a lot into Greensburg specifically and have delved a bit into the other EF3s but please do correct me if I'm wrong - didn't Tim Marshall say something about Trousdale producing very significant ground scouring/damage that wasn't photographed?

 

[Western_KS_Wx]

Interesting. I've looked a lot into Greensburg specifically and have delved a bit into the other EF3s but please do correct me if I'm wrong - didn't Tim Marshall say something about Trousdale producing very significant ground scouring/damage that wasn't photographed?

Yep, I made a post about it going into detail here:

Post in thread 'Enhanced Fujita Ratings Debate Thread'

Oct 17, 2025

Which of those "other" (besides Greensburg) tornadoes that night do you feel could or should warrant EF5?

I think Trousdale and Hopewell reached EF5 intensity. As for damage alone, structurally I haven’t found anything that warrants that rating. I have only a handful of photos showing the worst of Trousdale’s damage, and from what I’ve seen and heard it’s almost certain it was probably EF5 strength. It completely obliterated a farmstead and entirely swept away the home, and a large tree on the property was ripped out of the ground, root-balls and all, and carried a considerable...

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I really wish he would’ve photographed that segment of the path he flew over, even if it wasn’t relevant to the Greensburg survey. Based on aerial imagery I’ve analyzed the damage it inflicted to trees and shrubbery was very intense, with some large trees being lofted 15-20 yards. I wonder had it occurred with the current state of the scale if the vegetation damage alone would’ve warranted an EF4 rating.

But yeah, it did produce some pretty significant ground scouring, and in a large swath as well. Here’s a ground photo in a rural area between Greensburg and Trousdale that shows it well. In the background you can see the flattened grass and scouring in the brown streaks on the hillside. It looks like it was similar to Greensburg’s scouring in that extremely intense subvortices more-so gouged out deep swaths in the ground, rather than a consistent streak of scouring.

 

[Juliett Bravo Kilo]

I've always heard that Macksville in particular was violent and I honestly don't know; there really isn't much to go off with.

Here's a Chevy Blazer it tossed 3/4 of a mile:



And here's a police cruiser it tossed 1/4 of a mile, killing the officer inside:

 

[eep]

Assuming you’re referring to the 4th and final wedge from the Greensburg supercell, I think that one was actually probably the weakest of the bunch.

Hopewell and Macksville get mixed up occasionally, but both Hopewell and Trousdale were almost certainly EF5-strength tornadoes. I haven’t seen anything yet from Macksville that would indicate clear EF4+ intensity, though tree damage in some spots early in its life did appear pretty high-end.

That corner of Kansas has seen so many EF5 strength tornadoes it's honestly kinda insane. Even the valleys of the northern deep south haven't seen that level of consistency. The only thing that really separates Greensburg from a lot of other tornadoes in that region is that it actually hit the town.

 

[Western_KS_Wx]

Here's a Chevy Blazer it tossed 3/4 of a mile:

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And here's a police cruiser it tossed 1/4 of a mile, killing the officer inside:

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The Blazer was from the Hopewell EF3 rather than Macksville. Speaking of that, I found a colorized photo with much better quality of it in a book I bought (I’m blanking on the name of it at the moment) and some additional photos from Hopewell that came from a PDF online.


The PDF was published by Dan McCarthy, and in it he says the Blazer was thrown 2 miles, which to my knowledge would be a record for distance a vehicle has been transported by a tornado, although officially in Storm Data it’s 3/4 mile. I believe 3/4 mile is the more likely distance traveled as it would align with a farm that was destroyed to the southwest, but still interesting regardless.

That corner of Kansas has seen so many EF5 strength tornadoes it's honestly kinda insane. Even the valleys of the northern deep south haven't seen that level of consistency. The only thing that really separates Greensburg from a lot of other tornadoes in that region is that it actually hit the town.

Yeah, I am genuinely curious if there is something geographically significant about the area that makes it such a hotbed for massive, violent wedges. May 7, 2002, May 4-5, 2007 and May 23, 2008 all saw multiple very large and likely violent tornadoes in this area specifically. Then of course April 14, 2012 and May 18th last year again saw more 1 mile+ wide likely violent wedges all from prolific cyclical supercells. It’s debatable how many of these could’ve reached EF5 intensity, but it’s probable it’s around a half dozen.

The Buttermilk and Hopewell EF3’s both from May 23, 2008 likely reached EF5 strength based on aerial imagery taken 2 months later. Buttermilk left a pretty gnarly ground scar and inflicted extreme damage to numerous trees, while Hopewell did pretty much the same with a scouring pattern similar to Greensburg. What’s impressive is how visible these scars are even 2 months after the fact.
First photos are from Buttermilk while the others are from Hopewell.





I’d have to do more research, but off the top of my head in just 2007-2008 alone there were 4 tornadoes that approached or exceeded 2 miles in width in the region. Some of these widths aren’t officially recorded as such, but based on personal research that’s the most accurate number. I’d imagine that has to be a record of some sort. I’m curious what the number is for tornadoes that have exceeded 1 mile in width since 2000 in this area, but if I were to guess it’s likely a dozen or more.
Makes you wonder if there are certain factors at play that make a relatively small zone in western Kansas so prone to 1.) remarkably prolific cyclical supercells, and 2.) incredibly large and intense wedge tornadoes.

 

[Juliett Bravo Kilo]

The Blazer was from the Hopewell EF3 rather than Macksville. Speaking of that, I found a colorized photo with much better quality of it in a book I bought (I’m blanking on the name of it at the moment) and some additional photos from Hopewell that came from a PDF online.
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The PDF was published by Dan McCarthy, and in it he says the Blazer was thrown 2 miles, which to my knowledge would be a record for distance a vehicle has been transported by a tornado, although officially in Storm Data it’s 3/4 mile. I believe 3/4 mile is the more likely distance traveled as it would align with a farm that was destroyed to the southwest, but still interesting regardless.



Yeah, I am genuinely curious if there is something geographically significant about the area that makes it such a hotbed for massive, violent wedges. May 7, 2002, May 4-5, 2007 and May 23, 2008 all saw multiple very large and likely violent tornadoes in this area specifically. Then of course April 14, 2012 and May 18th last year again saw more 1 mile+ wide likely violent wedges all from prolific cyclical supercells. It’s debatable how many of these could’ve reached EF5 intensity, but it’s probable it’s around a half dozen.

The Buttermilk and Hopewell EF3’s both from May 23, 2008 likely reached EF5 strength based on aerial imagery taken 2 months later. Buttermilk left a pretty gnarly ground scar and inflicted extreme damage to numerous trees, while Hopewell did pretty much the same with a scouring pattern similar to Greensburg. What’s impressive is how visible these scars are even 2 months after the fact.
First photos are from Buttermilk while the others are from Hopewell.
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I’d have to do more research, but off the top of my head in just 2007-2008 alone there were 4 tornadoes that approached or exceeded 2 miles in width in the region. Some of these widths aren’t officially recorded as such, but based on personal research that’s the most accurate number. I’d imagine that has to be a record of some sort. I’m curious what the number is for tornadoes that have exceeded 1 mile in width since 2000 in this area, but if I were to guess it’s likely a dozen or more.
Makes you wonder if there are certain factors at play that make a relatively small zone in western Kansas so prone to 1.) remarkably prolific cyclical supercells, and 2.) incredibly large and intense wedge tornadoes.

Udall was likely 2+ miles wide at points too.

The Texas panhandle has a history of massive wedges 2+ miles as well (Glazier-Higgins-Woodward, Allison, Gruver, to name a few) and lots of these outbreaks and supercells it seems like the whole mesocyclone is on the ground. Not sure if geography, topography or storm patterns or all 3 play a role in that. Maybe certain supercells are more prone to allowing entire mesocyclones to touch the ground? Who knows?