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Significant Tornado Events

Juliett Bravo Kilo said:
Imagine what would've happened if a tornado like Jarrell tracked through a populated downtown area.
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To be honest I think Moore Oklahoma was pretty much that. Also somewhat similar in both events were extremely violent tornadoes in otherwise unsupportive (of top-tier tornado) environments, with local mesoscale features making conditions very favorable in a small area.

But especially around the Orr family farms area, I think that damage roughly equals Jarrell. In the areas where the tornado hit rows and rows of homes, the debris loading and just pure devastation hides some of the extreme contextual stuff we saw in other areas of the track, but I genuinely think Moore is probably the most intense damage in a populated area maybe ever (?)

Not sure if this is controversial but personally I think both tornadoes were of similar intensity.

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UK_EF4 said:
To be honest I think Moore Oklahoma was pretty much that. Also somewhat similar in both events were extremely violent tornadoes in otherwise unsupportive (of top-tier tornado) environments, with local mesoscale features making conditions very favorable in a small area.

But especially around the Orr family farms area, I think that damage roughly equals Jarrell. In the areas where the tornado hit rows and rows of homes, the debris loading and just pure devastation hides some of the extreme contextual stuff we saw in other areas of the track, but I genuinely think Moore is probably the most intense damage in a populated area maybe ever (?)

Not sure if this is controversial but personally I think both tornadoes were of similar intensity.

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In my opinion, Moore produced the most violent damage ever produced in a vast urban area. Even more so than Joplin. The ground scouring between the two isn’t even really comparable.
 
Agreed
UK_EF4 said:
To be honest I think Moore Oklahoma was pretty much that. Also somewhat similar in both events were extremely violent tornadoes in otherwise unsupportive (of top-tier tornado) environments, with local mesoscale features making conditions very favorable in a small area.

But especially around the Orr family farms area, I think that damage roughly equals Jarrell. In the areas where the tornado hit rows and rows of homes, the debris loading and just pure devastation hides some of the extreme contextual stuff we saw in other areas of the track, but I genuinely think Moore is probably the most intense damage in a populated area maybe ever (?)

Not sure if this is controversial but personally I think both tornadoes were of similar intensity.

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Agreed, Moore 2013 is not too far off of its May 3rd 1999 counterpart intensity wise.
 


In my opinion, the Tri State EF4 of 2021 is one of the more underrated candidates that may have had EF5 potential. It lofted a vehicle really far and produced extreme debarking near Buckeye Arkansas. I haven’t seen much else or heard much about this tornado though so it really is a mystery and a wonder as to what this beast may have done if it hit a town directly. Regardless, still a tragic event and RIP to those 8 lost in this scary twister.
 

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Does anyone have imagery of impressive damage from the 2013 El Reno tornado? I have never seen a single picture from that event that comes close to a violent intensity (with exception to the Twistex car, which is pretty violent vehicle damage) which leads me to believe that

1. It's an extraordinarily overrated tornado in intensity, especially by the general public.
2. Extreme windspeeds (>300 mph) are capable of occurring in tornadoes that are not capable of inflicting violent damage on the ground.
3. Forward speeds of a tornado can determine the type of damage it will inflict, not just the intensity of it. (This point is very nuanced and likely true, in my eyes.)

I want to know if I have the wrong ideas about this, or simply haven't seen the higher end damage this thing did. I honestly am against this thing receiving an EF5 rating and don't even think I'd support it being granted EF4, and I am definitely in the minority from what I have seen on the internet in that regard.

Also, just because I believe it's extremely overrated in intensity doesn't mean I believe it wasn't one of the most dangerous tornadoes to chase of all time. It makes complete sense to me why people were caught so off-guard by this thing, and even chasers passed away from it. I definitely wouldn't put it into the most powerful tornadoes ever recorded but I most certainly would put it as a top 3 most dangerous tornado to chase that we have seen.
 
i posted this once but base on older maps it seems this one long track tornado that had one gap is one single tornado , the starting path was a bit more south , and multiple other separate tornadoes were in fact the same super long track tornado

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scar is impressive as i don't even know when it happened , furthest i can check is 1971 ... this scar can still be clearly seen in 1984
 
slenker said:
Does anyone have imagery of impressive damage from the 2013 El Reno tornado? I have never seen a single picture from that event that comes close to a violent intensity (with exception to the Twistex car, which is pretty violent vehicle damage) which leads me to believe that

1. It's an extraordinarily overrated tornado in intensity, especially by the general public.
2. Extreme windspeeds (>300 mph) are capable of occurring in tornadoes that are not capable of inflicting violent damage on the ground.
3. Forward speeds of a tornado can determine the type of damage it will inflict, not just the intensity of it. (This point is very nuanced and likely true, in my eyes.)

I want to know if I have the wrong ideas about this, or simply haven't seen the higher end damage this thing did. I honestly am against this thing receiving an EF5 rating and don't even think I'd support it being granted EF4, and I am definitely in the minority from what I have seen on the internet in that regard.

Also, just because I believe it's extremely overrated in intensity doesn't mean I believe it wasn't one of the most dangerous tornadoes to chase of all time. It makes complete sense to me why people were caught so off-guard by this thing, and even chasers passed away from it. I definitely wouldn't put it into the most powerful tornadoes ever recorded but I most certainly would put it as a top 3 most dangerous tornado to chase that we have seen.
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This is the best in terms of photos you're gonna get:

extremeplanet.wordpress.com

2013 El Reno Tornado Damage Survey

□ On May 31, 2013, a train of violent supercell thunderstorms erupted in the sky to the west of Oklahoma City. In the city suburb of Moore, rain began to fall over the tangled remains of homes and …
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I support the EF3 rating; EF5 velocities can occur way up in the atmosphere but never actually reach the ground.
 
The most intense parts of this tornado hit almost nothing man-made so it's hard to say. And that's the reason for a lack of photos- there's wasn't a whole lot of damage worth photographing though the storm itself was quite worthy of that.. The DOW results were and are impressive but as we've seen several times more recently, they may not correlate with winds on the ground when measured at much height as was the case here.

IMHO were it not for the notable deaths and being an early DOW-measured tornado this one wouldn't see too much mention today, being no more remarkable than Hallum or Mulhall really.
 
Sawmaster said:
The most intense parts of this tornado hit almost nothing man-made so it's hard to say. And that's the reason for a lack of photos- there's wasn't a whole lot of damage worth photographing though the storm itself was quite worthy of that.. The DOW results were and are impressive but as we've seen several times more recently, they may not correlate with winds on the ground when measured at much height as was the case here.

IMHO were it not for the notable deaths and being an early DOW-measured tornado this one wouldn't see too much mention today, being no more remarkable than Hallum or Mulhall really.
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when it comes with wind damage and strongest winds only one area got hit , and im guessing its tim's vehicle
 
SpotlightForRareTornadoes said:
"Susan Get My Pants!"
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Many of the vids and re-posts of Andy's spectacular footage now have that famous phrase edited out. I'm not sure why but apparently whoever has the rights to the vid are behind the effort. I'm not sure I'd want to be known for saying that myself as that part went viral moreso than the rest of the video, and not so many people identify the vid any other way. It seems that generations younger than myself have much shorter attention spans that the two minutes average people my age were said to have :(

On El Reno I'm not sure if Team Twistex was in the most powerful subvortex or not. Given the scale involved it would have been easy to miss a small intense subvortex that we'd likely find today due to drones now doing most of the aerial surveying and getting much better pics than they did back then. There is still contention on whether small subvortex damage should count toward tornado ratings, but a I see it they're integral to the tornado at the core and if you're assessing damages then they should be included. Just another part of the EF system which could be improved.
 
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