I would list Holly Springs 12/23/2015 (however poorly documented it was by the survey teams) and the 6/28/2018 Camp Crook "EF3" as definite EF5's and all of the Pilger family tornadoes except Wakefield are good EF5 contenders as well (if you had to hold me at one though, Stanton would be my pick).
Was Holly Springs the real scary looking tornado that has that type of it crossing a highway in Mississippi? I swear that thing could've been rated EF5 based on the monstrous appearance alone.I would list Holly Springs 12/23/2015 (however poorly documented it was by the survey teams) and the 6/28/2018 Camp Crook "EF3" as definite EF5's and all of the Pilger family tornadoes except Wakefield are good EF5 contenders as well (if you had to hold me at one though, Stanton would be my pick).
Might as well also add that I will say it's POSSIBLE Doran MN 6/17/2010 and Henryville 3/2/2012 were EF5s, I feel they definitely were capable of causing damage within the EF5 threshold but I'm a bit on the fence about them overall.
This pic reminds me of Joplin when it grew into a wedge extremely rapidly within touchdown...spooky...Pittsfield-Strongsville, Lebanon-Sheridan, Kokomo-Greentown and Coldwater Lake-Manitou Beach all have compelling cases as well, to varying degrees. Tbh we should probably just give Coldwater Lake an F5 purely on its monstrous appearance:
Yeah, this strikes me as another Vilonia where a survey was deliberately botched so it wouldn't be an EF5.Speaking of Holly Springs, here's another one of my "armchair surveys" for that tornado:
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Southwest of the Lamar Rd vicinity (where the tornado most probably attained peak intensity) a cluster of four homes was destroyed on Hoover Road. The concrete foundation visible at the bottom was probably poured post-tornado for the home that replaced the manufactured one destroyed in the tornado. A mobile home was also destroyed here, along with another home of unknown construction and a fairly large home (at top) built on a concrete slab. Although none of these homes were exceptionally old (the top three weren't there in the 2007 imagery) I can't infer anything else about their construction or the degree of damage each of them incurred. I will say that the fact there is still debris visible on the slab of the home at the top of the photo (three months after the tornado) makes it less likely in my opinion that it was leveled or swept away, but who knows? No need to mention that this area wasn't surveyed by NWS Memphis.
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Three homes were destroyed in the Country Church Road vicinity. Three people died in the poorly constructed home visible in the bottom left of the satellite photo and the ground level photo. The body of one of the victims was found a quarter mile away. One home built on a concrete slab was also destroyed (degree of damage unknown) along with a home of unknown construction, although a new home can be seen in its place. Just northeast of this area the Calvary Baptist Church and several outbuildings at an RV business were heavily damaged or destroyed.
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The tornado spent about six and a half miles downing forest and destroying outbuildings before it struck yet another homesite on Medlock Rd, destroying a slab-built home and wiping out several outbuildings (the outbuildings at the bottom center of this photo replace ones that were destroyed in the tornado). This home was very close to the large, verifiably well built home that was given a 170MPH EF4 DI, and ended up being the main basis for the EF4 rating.
This has been said before, but I simply can't put in words how unbelievably half-@ssed MEG's official survey for this historical December tornado was, and it's something I'll never be able to get over. Regardless of its official status though, I can conclude that this tornado was almost certainly an EF5, and hopefully someone like Grazulis can finally give it the recognition it deserves.
If built to code, anything after about 2005 should have anchor bolts or straps and rafter/truss clips.Although none of these homes were exceptionally old (the top three weren't there in the 2007 imagery) I can't infer anything else about their construction
I remember on the old thread someone posted this PDF of construction codes by state and the consistency of enforcement and AL & MS ranked the worst; Mississippi was like 4/100 on average or something absurd like that, Alabama was 2nd with 17/100 or the like. No wonder so many homes are swept clean in those areas of the country and why tornado fatalities are often higher.If built to code, anything after about 2005 should have anchor bolts or straps and rafter/truss clips.
The main issue is that localities are who set and adopt building codes as well as enforcing them, so which version is in effect varies as does enforcement. Many of the counties I work in use code versions 2- 5 years behind the times and IIRC anchor bolts/straps plus roofing clips came into the books somewhere around 01- 03. Thus everything after 07 is likely to have them, but the no-code areas will be significant so you can't know for certain without local research.
The comments section has a couple people with photos and films in case anyone wants to pursue that.
I might; I'm hoping stuff like this happens with other tornadoes, probably quite a few people with videotapes of tornadoes no one knows about because they haven't converted them from camcorder to digital; if they had a motivator to do so that'd be great.The comments section has a couple people with photos and films in case anyone wants to pursue that.
Slightly unrelated: here's some slightly unnerving video of the Vilonia, AR EF5:
And related to Timken here's the wall cloud.
At the end there's just a flood of rain so it looks like this was a rainwrapped tor:
EDIT: absolutely not rainwrapped: