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Severe Weather 2024

TornadoFan17 said:
Haven't been on here in a while. I'm probably one of the most pro-NWS people in this community, but I have a couple of questions I want answered about tonight. A toddler could tell you there was a TOG.
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Me too. I've volunteered at BMX and have several friends there, but this was sheer incompetence. Everyone from the MIC down needs to be replaced.
 
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I agree that North Platte failed yesterday, and they deserve the backlash but some of yall are taking it a bit to far.
Just be careful what you post on the web, especially things like Google reviews and such. It may come back on you.
 
JBishopwx said:
I agree that North Platte failed yesterday, and they deserve the backlash but some of yall are taking it a bit to far.
Just be careful what you post on the web, especially things like Google reviews and such. It may come back on you.
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The criticism's warranted; the jokes and memes are a little insensitive due to what ended up happening to an actual town though, imo. What happened was a complete failure though, and that part needs to be acknowledged.
 
JBishopwx said:
I agree that North Platte failed yesterday, and they deserve the backlash but some of yall are taking it a bit to far.
Just be careful what you post on the web, especially things like Google reviews and such. It may come back on you.
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I’m quite surprised by the amount of meteorologist defending them saying the same old tired “YoU tRy dOInG ThEiR jOB” argument.

And while the majority of the time I can understand that response, it simply won’t fly in this case.

It doesn’t take a quantum physicist to point out a major mishap occurred, and needs to be addressed and criticized.

Of course, there’s a difference between criticism and blatant internet rioting. Although this is wxtwitter we’re talking about so it’s no surprise the latter is occurring, which helps utterly nothing.
 
slenker said:
The criticism's warranted; the jokes and memes are a little insensitive due to what ended up happening to an actual town though, imo. What happened was a complete failure though, and that part needs to be acknowledged.
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Again, I agree with the criticism, but not the length of some people taking it. Don't risk your reputation because you said or did something inappropriate online.
 
jiharris0220 said:
I’m quite surprised by the amount of meteorologist defending them saying the same old tired “YoU tRy dOInG ThEiR jOB” argument.

And while the majority of the time I can understand that response, it simply won’t fly in this case.

It doesn’t take a quantum physicist to point out a major mishap occurred, and needs to be addressed and criticized.

Of course, there’s a difference between criticism and blatant internet rioting. Although this is wxtwitter we’re talking about so it’s no surprise the latter is occurring, which helps utterly nothing.
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In the significant majority of cases, that argument holds and a lot of the time just because there is criticism to be had doesn't mean everyone's evaluations are warranted/legitimate. But this was a pretty serious lapse in judgement or acuity and not the kind of minor thing that usually gets people riled up about warning and forecasting.
 
I do hope there's an... inquiry(? Not sure how else to phrase it) into this situation and that the results are made known to the public, though a thorough investigation could take months, especially if this is rooted in persistent issues within the office.

Without knowing details, I'm not going to say that multiple people need to lose their jobs, but demotions, additional training, and bringing in well-respected staff from other offices to train and possibly address management or culture issues sounds like a real possibility. But that's why an investigation should happen; it may be that there are grounds for dismissal, too.

I'm just extremely thankful that it sounds like no one was seriously injured, and I hope that there is an investigation even though there were no major injuries.
 
Seeing all sorts of defense of perhaps the most egregious warning failure in the last few decades and I'm not sure where the attitude of taxpayer funded weather services being above criticism by those who pay said taxes and rely on them to warn for these events comes from. This sort of thing absolutely should be called out and dealt with, at least in a productive manner. In edge cases like QLCS spin ups or 10kft beam heights, there's lots of room for discussion, but this was super clear cut. When any regular joe can just watch a BWER, extremely tight couplet, and sustained CC drop for upwards of 15 minutes on freely available radar on a well defined isolated supercell, and chasers had video and multiple reports the whole time in real time, there's legitimately no excuse and it's probably time for a major office review to determine exactly what they were up to last night. They're extremely fortunate a large town was not hit unwarned with fatalities
 
Yep, seeing people using the old and tired "and where's your meteorology degree?" excuse to defend the indefensible.

A forecast that doesn't quite pan out is one thing, but missing an obvious tornado and failing to issue a real time warning for it is another altogether. You don't need a meteorology degree to recognize a significant tornado on radar, and it's not like the NWS didn't have ground truth.

With that said, I wouldn't go as far as to say people need to be fired or hounding them with ALL CAPS CURSE WORDS. Such behavior only further serves to entrench the "lol weather weenies" mindset that the general public has.
 
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