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Enhanced Fujita Ratings Debate Thread (2 Viewers)

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Sorry, I’m honestly trying not to, but I can’t bite my tongue around these types of “contributions”. This type of stuff used to be limited to weather weenie Twitter and YouTube comments, and now it’s here. It brings down the quality of the discussion and I can’t just sit back and not say anything.
The ignore button is pretty useful FYI
 
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if im not wanted here i can leave and never come back...i never thought i'd become the enemy for being a "weather weenie"...
ill delete my account and everything
 
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I mean... I don't disagree that he should work on making more useful contributions but at the same time I feel you've kinda been TRYING to start fights with people lately. I'd try to bring my blood pressure down if I were you.
Buckeye's not starting fights with anybody; he's just calling out BS or non-contributing members when he sees it. Also, tornado examiner does nothing but complain on every board he's on, it's not just Buckeye noticing that.
 

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Buckeye's not starting fights with anybody; he's just calling out BS or non-contributing members when he sees it. Also, tornado examiner does nothing but complain on every board he's on, it's not just Buckeye noticing that.
That has already been established.

okay. goodbye. im clearly not wanted here so ill just delete my account never come back.
Who said anything about you deleting your account? Just take your time to make interesting and informative posts. That's all they're asking, no need to "delete your account and never come back".
 
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if im not wanted here i can leave and never come back...i never thought i'd become the enemy for being a "weather weenie"...
ill delete my account and everything

It's OK to be a "weenie." So am I, and I have my own issues with the way the EF-scale is currently being (mis)used (as do most of us here, including @buckeye05 ). I just try not to complain about it so much unless I have something constructive to add.
 

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Just come across this... I initially thought it was fake news, but account is verified. Looks very exciting. Any thoughts?
I’m trying to figure out what they mean by “This will become an ASCE standard on rating tornado wind speeds.”

Does this mean the updated version will rely even more heavily on the opinions of engineers? If so, that could mean things are about to get even worse. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have decided to cap the single-family home DI at EF4 or something. I hope I’m wrong. Anyone else know how to interpret this?
 

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I’m sorry but would you just can it for once? You’re genuinely obnoxious, and honestly haven’t been contributing anything of value. Nobody wants to see your childish all-caps ranting, and you are single-handedly bringing down the quality of discussion here.
Not trying to throw shots, but in the sig tornado event threads, that’s all he’s been doing is complain about the ratings, every time I saw him in the Mayfield tornado thread all he did was complain, he complained about the newnan rating which I can understand, but complaining about every single tornado that doesn’t get rated properly and acting like a child doesn’t get anyone nowhere, he needs to realize this website is for upcoming meteorologists and meteorologists who are trying to learn more about nature. Not complain about something that doesn’t go his way.
 

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Not trying to throw shots, but in the sig tornado event threads, that’s all he’s been doing is complain about the ratings, every time I saw him in the Mayfield tornado thread all he did was complain, he complained about the newnan rating which I can understand, but complaining about every single tornado that doesn’t get rated properly and acting like a child doesn’t get anyone nowhere, he needs to realize this website is for upcoming meteorologists and meteorologists who are trying to learn more about nature. Not complain about something that doesn’t go his way.
I understand the frustration behind his posts now, to which I extend an apology to buckeye for being overly sensitive about that. However if tornado examiner can change the demeanor of his posts to something interesting and informative, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a regular member here.

But with that said I think we can agree this part of the discussion has run its course. Let's get back on topic.
 

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I understand the frustration behind his posts now, to which I extend an apology to buckeye for being overly sensitive about that. However if tornado examiner can change the demeanor of his posts to something interesting and informative, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a regular member here.

But with that said I think we can agree this part of the discussion has run its course. Let's get back on topic.
Agreed 100%
 
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Yeah I'm throwing my hat into the New Wren ring. I thought New Wren was rated EF3 due to herp derp NWS Memphis is dumb but I didn't know they skipped an entire neighborhood while surveying the thing.
 

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I’m trying to figure out what they mean by “This will become an ASCE standard on rating tornado wind speeds.”

Does this mean the updated version will rely even more heavily on the opinions of engineers? If so, that could mean things are about to get even worse. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have decided to cap the single-family home DI at EF4 or something. I hope I’m wrong. Anyone else know how to interpret this?
The wording is pretty ambiguous, but my guess would be that point refers to the new ASCE 7-22 standard. This year's update adds a section on ASCE standards specifically for tornado wind loads, which involves estimating wind speed hazards for various areas that are used to inform building codes. Basically the same thing they do for hurricanes.

But yeah, I'd imagine they'll be leaning very heavily on the input of engineers. I think with things like this there's often a tendency to err on the side of precision and standardization even when it comes at the cost of real-world accuracy.
 
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I asked Tim Marshall about the CWR tracks from the Chapman 2016 tornado being ripped up with the bar bent. I said to him, why wasn't that rated EF5? He said to me well the Tuscaloosa 2011 tornado destroyed railroad tracks. I thought that was a railroad bridge that was destroyed and easier to do so then ripping up railroad tracks from the ground and bending the bar. I don't understand why these people like to play like they are dumb. Not meaning to offend anyone but it seems like they are covering up something.
 

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