Severe WX December 10 & 11, 2021 Severe Threat

[TH2002]

Here is a collection of videos from this outbreak. I know some of these have been posted before, but I figured I would put everything in one post.

First tornado (The "Tri-State" Tornado)






Second tornado (the Kentucky tornado)
(adapted for 16:9)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY3C-gTtAsM

Bowling Green tornado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfLJirwJdjY

Defiance-Chesterfield tornado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTp4dg5w3Fs

 

[bjdeming]

Latest press conference from Kentucky Governor Andy Beshar. He's trying not to cry.

I'm from another state and I'm still proud of him and of Kentucky.

That URL he gave doesn't work yet, but this appears to be the relief fund site: https://secure.kentucky.gov/formservices/Finance/WKYRelief

 

[Equus]

It's probably really bad that I see complete utter obliteration and think 'oh wow that might get high end EF3' - it's so hard for anything to get classified violent since 2000 I'm always surprised to see stuff rated anywhere close to what it ought to be

 

[OHWX97]

Yeah, it's really frustrating when it's been an ongoing problem for this long. The only good news is the area east of the base is basically unpopulated swamp.

It certainly could help, but is the problem possibly bigger than that? As @buckeye05 mentioned earlier, it really says a lot when weather geeks on the internet are able detect these tornadoes well before the professionals.

 

[andyhb]

Also Dawson Springs is a complete wreck.

 

[locomusic01]

 

[Richardjacks]

Does anyone know the name of the candle factory hit?

 

[locomusic01]

Does anyone know the name of the candle factory hit?

Mayfield Consumer Products

 

[Richardjacks]

This really has me rethinking the whole idea of calling this season our "secondary tornado season". I have used that term for years, but I fear it gives the wrong impression.

 

[TornadoFan]

 

[Evan]

I sure hope they do. He’s one of the best, and with the exception of Westminster, his reputation of being overly conservative is completely undeserved.

Yeah, we're kind of talking about two separate things here to an extent. My grimace is about his work on the private side for insurers. I think he'll do a fine job surveying the tornadoes in Kentucky. It's a little far from the Gulf for him to claim the damage was caused by storm surge.

And, unlike Moore in 1999, I'm guessing his company isn't being paid to claim damage was caused by poor construction quality instead of an F5 tornado.

I don't want to derail this thread, but Marshall and Haag aren't exactly above reproach. People can Google if they have interest. I'm skeptical as to how someone can show a particular predilection and focus in one area (that damage was caused by poor construction, poor maintenance, poor building material, or poor anything else that might let the insurance company off the hook for obvious storm damage) yet remain unbiased in other contexts. Maybe it's all about who the client is. Odd way to achieve scientific consistency, though.

 

[buckeye05]

That foundation is part poured slab, part CMU. Not eligible for EF5. Getting tired of people jumping the gun on this.

 

[andyhb]

That foundation is part poured slab, part CMU. Not eligible for EF5. Getting tired of people jumping the gun on this.

I mean honestly, what do you expect? This is what a record long EF5 drought gets you.

 

[buckeye05]

Yeah, we're kind of talking about two separate things here to an extent. My grimace is about his work on the private side for insurers. I think he'll do a fine job surveying the tornadoes in Kentucky. It's a little far from the Gulf for him to claim the damage was caused by storm surge.

And, unlike Moore in 1999, I'm guessing his company isn't being paid to claim damage was caused by poor construction quality instead of an F5 tornado.

I don't want to derail this thread, but Marshall and Haag aren't exactly above reproach. People can Google if they have interest. I'm skeptical as to how someone can show a particular predilection and focus in one area (that damage was caused by poor construction, poor maintenance, poor building material, or poor anything else that might let the insurance company off the hook for obvious storm damage) yet remain unbiased in other contexts. Maybe it's all about who the client is. Odd way to achieve scientific consistency, though.

He’s not like that though. Marshall uses contextual evidence, and even had a presentation highlighting examples of EF5 contextual damage. I’m not sure you are, but saying that all of his rating come down to him claiming everything is poorly built, is a mischaracterization of what he does.

 

[Evan]

He’s not like that though. Marshall uses contextual evidence, and even had a presentation highlighting examples of EF5 contextual damage. I’m not sure you are, but saying that all of his rating come down to him claiming everything is poorly built, is a mischaracterization of what he does.

I think you should closely read my post.

 

[buckeye05]

I mean honestly, what do you expect? This is what a record long EF5 drought gets you.

That’s totally fair, I just don’t want people perpetuating a skewed idea of what constitutes as genuine EF5 house damage. The last one I can think of where a reasonable case for EF5 damage can be made would be that large, anchor bolted cabin/house near Bassfield, MS that essentially vanished, with insane tree damage nearby. If that had been rated appropriately, I don’t think people would be reaching as much to find EF5 damage.

 

[Evan]

I mean honestly, what do you expect? This is what a record long EF5 drought gets you.

I thought everyone at this point knew block foundation is a no-no for EF-5. It's come up with how many storms?

 

[andyhb]

Ignoring that particular slab for a second, the way it stumped that tree nearby is incredible, especially since it was relatively out in the open.

 

[TornadoFan]

Well I didn't know.

 

[Evan]

Well I didn't know.

I didn't mean that to come off as sarcastic. That said, it's a grainy picture and not everyone is going to immediately see the blocks.