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2025 Political Thread

Anti Marine Layer said:
Actually the "far-right" news sources are gaining new viewers. MSNBC has lost so many viewers they had to fire Joyless Reid.

Not many people trust the mainstream Pravda media anymore except for Democrats, who continue to believe that there's more than 2 sexes and that unvetted illegal immigrants don't spread COVID but everyone else must be vaccinated and boosted or else their grannies will die.

thefederalist.com

Americans' Trust In The Propaganda Press Has Never Been Lower

36 percent of Americans say they have 'no trust at all' in the media to report 'fully, accurately and fairly' -- up from 6 percent in 1972.
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Not saying the MSM is unbiased and trustworthy - that's certainly not the case. What I am saying is that these right-wing "news" sources are fighting propaganda with propaganda... Which is still propaganda whether it comes from the left or the right.

Anti Marine Layer said:
Given that 50% of the country voted for Trump, I'm surprised @Geno and I are the only Trump supporters here. Sure he may be going a little too far with the NOAA, but he's still better than Kamala whose father is literally a Marxist.
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This is a weather forum - how did you expect people to react to the DOGE cuts targeting NOAA/NWS?

Also, telling someone "if you criticize Trump, you must be a Kamala supporter" does not an argument make. Let's face it, both parties ran awful candidates last year.

Not accusing you of doing this, but being blindly loyal to politicians and/or political parties - regardless of whether or not their policies actually align with your beliefs and interests - is a dangerous path to go down. It's part of the reason I've come to despise both major parties equally. Even if one voted for Trump and generally likes him, that doesn't mean they have to support literally anything and everything he does.
 
TornadoFan said:
Kamala was literally the superior choice.
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Depressing as that is, it's true.

The Democrats made a big mistake by not giving her even a fig leaf of a primary, and that's too bad because many, who would have voted for her, withheld that vote. (Has anyone run the numbers nationwide to quantify or disprove this statement?)

Those voters also understand that the US is not Europe and our leaders -- as well as the party officials who groom them -- do so only by the will of the people.

Things are bad now, but the country would have been much worse off if that proper American spirit had been absent and we'd gone slip-sliding even farther into parliamentarianism. It cheers me to know these many people are out there.

I think not a few Democrat decision-makers and leaders, as well as most of the 20th-century-mainstream press, go along with the fiction that Trump won by a landslide of votes from the whole American electorate because they are still in denial about this non-vote silent protest, and the Trumpeteers are exploiting that to the max.
 
TH2002 said:
Not saying the MSM is unbiased and trustworthy - that's certainly not the case. What I am saying is that these right-wing "news" sources are fighting propaganda with propaganda... Which is still propaganda whether it comes from the left or the right.
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I don't see how that one specific article is propaganda though. All it did was reference the results of a poll where 77% of Democrats disagreed with Trump's order that there are only 2 sexes. I adopted a dog recently, and on the websites where you could select a gender for the dogs, there was not "non-binary" as a choice.

It's true that Trump's rhetoric uses loaded language and conservatives use "socialism" or "communism" for a lot of things that are not really socialism/communism, but Richard Delgado, one of the founders of critical race theory (CRT) openly confessed he's a Marxist. He also said he's proud they were teaching it in schools, but the Democrats claim CRT is just teaching accurate history and has nothing to do with Marxism and that it's not being taught in the public schools.

The Democrats use loaded language too.
  • Today if you believe abortion is immoral they call you a "fascist".
  • If you believe in American exceptionalism, they call you a "white supremacist".
  • If you believe in secure borders they call you a "racist".
  • If you believe that men don't get pregnant, they call you a "transphobe".
  • If you believe in "inalienable rights endowed by our Creator" they call you a "Christian nationalist".
  • If you question the efficacy masks or vaccines, they call you a "conspiracy theorist".
That's definitely not the America I grew up in.

Yet most people complain about Trump's mean tweets but you don't see many people complaining about all the nasty things Biden and the Democrats say about conservatives. People voted for Trump because they were sick of being called all kinds of names for not being 100% in agreement with what the left believes, which can no longer be considered liberal.
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
I don't see how that one specific article is propaganda though. All it did was reference the results of a poll where 77% of Democrats disagreed with Trump's order that there are only 2 sexes.
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Yeah I just read the article and it literally talks about "cultural marxism" and that colleges are "indoctrination centers" - and that these two things are what led to the results of the poll in question. So saying that "all it did was reference the results of a poll" is vehemently untrue.

Also, if the person who wrote that article had bothered to do even 30 seconds of actual research, the claim that "77% of Democrats believe there are more than 2 genders" instantly melts away. What is true is that 77% of Democratic respondents to the referenced poll opposed President Donald Trump's executive order, but that's the only definitive claim that can be made.

A poll from Nationscape showed that 29.3% of Democrats strongly disagreed with the statement "There are only two genders". Even if you factor in those who also said "somewhat disagree", the percentage becomes 48.4% - a far cry from the 77% claim in the American Thinker article. And in another poll from PRRI, 44% of Democrats agreed with the statement "There are only two genders".

Now, based on the results of these polls, is it true that Democrats are far more likely than Republicans and independents to say there are more than two genders? Yes, and if you want to argue that is concerning, you can make a valid argument. But don't rely on blatant propaganda for your sources.

And after saying all that, I honestly have to say that I agree with the rest of your post. And just to throw it out there, I personally think the mentality that there are more than two genders is a load of crap, but if others want to say otherwise, they can go ahead and make their day.
 
Blountwolf said:
Wow - and after all that, Zelenskyy's still able to be classy.
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He continues to be statesman-like, too, per the BBC:

Summary​

  • Ukraine's President Zelensky stresses his gratitude to the US, and praises European "unity", after an intense three days of diplomacy
  • On Friday, Zelensky had a heated exchange with Donald Trump and JD Vance in front of the media in the Oval Office
  • After leaving the US early, he went to London for scheduled talks with European leaders
  • On Sunday, UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced a four-step plan to guarantee peace in Ukraine - and said Europe must do the "heavy lifting"
  • On his way home, Zelensky stressed the need for "security guarantees" for Ukraine in any peace deal
  • And before he left, he said he was still ready to agree to a minerals deal with the US - Laura Kuenssberg was in the room at Stansted Airport
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Anti Marine Layer said:
People voted for Trump because they were sick of being called all kinds of names for not being 100% in agreement with what the left believes, which can no longer be considered liberal.
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True.

Now that we have seen the negative social effects of both extremist party takeovers (the Democrats going back several decades), I wonder who the new centrist candidates for Congress and the White House are.

[Not crickets chirping, I hope.]
 
The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.

Voter turnout was 64%. Trump won 50% of those votes (49.8%, to be exact). That means only 32% of adult Americans voted for Trump. 36% didn't vote at all, and 32% voted for someone else.

So, all that to say, no, 50% of Americans did not vote for Trump. 50% of people who voted, yes. But that's not all Americans.
 
notsoencrypted said:
The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.

Voter turnout was 64%. Trump won 50% of those votes (49.8%, to be exact). That means only 32% of adult Americans voted for Trump. 36% didn't vote at all, and 32% voted for someone else.

So, all that to say, no, 50% of Americans did not vote for Trump. 50% of people who voted, yes. But that's not all Americans.
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Statistics 101 with @notsoencrypted :D
 
notsoencrypted said:
The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.

Voter turnout was 64%. Trump won 50% of those votes (49.8%, to be exact). That means only 32% of adult Americans voted for Trump. 36% didn't vote at all, and 32% voted for someone else.

So, all that to say, no, 50% of Americans did not vote for Trump. 50% of people who voted, yes. But that's not all Americans.
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Hey, that’s what I said, but you did it with many more words! ;)
 
maroonedinhsv said:
Not when asserting that half of Americans support Trump. A lot of the participants in this thread are Republicans/conservatives who chose not to vote because they are opposed to Trump.
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Like this guy!

I voted, just not for office of the President
 
Is it Pro-Life to sharply reduce or eliminate funding for TB, malaria, polio, PEPFAR, infant nutrition, and a sundry of other aide that goes to impoverished nations?

I am sure the figures in the recent USAID memos are worst-case scenarios, however, it seems pretty indisputable that a significant number of infants and children will either die -- or suffer debilitating illness/serious injury -- due to the aforementioned cuts.

I'm trying to understand the idealogy of this administration. Ostensibly, the current President is so shaken by the body count of the Ukraine war that he's willing to cater to any Russian demand as long as a ceasefire takes place. Yet one of the first actions the current President took was to re-implement federal executions? And cut aide to infants and babies?

Ahh, nevertheless, he certainly seems like the most Pro-Life President in history. Just ask him! Just seems kind of weird zero political capital has been expended on pushing for a federal abortion ban. Huh. Guess they've been too busy with getting the Trump/Melania crypto coins out there and designing a "strategic reserve" that will use my tax dollars to buy crypto. I'm sure it is a coincidence that numerous campaign donors and family members stand to benefit from such a scheme.

Thank goodness they liberated Andrew Tate from Europe. Nothing says Pro-Life and Conservative values like a self-confessed rapist, sex trafficker, and abuser of young women and minors. Interesting use of political capital versus, say, working out a peace plan for Ukraine that has any other steps other than...Ukraine give Russia everything they want while we lift sanctions and make deals with a mass-murdering dictator. Have to stop the KILLING (i.e. Ukranians defending their homeland and families) -- Putin and Russia killing people, however, is totally fine. Because we might make a beautiful trade deal with them!
 
thundersnow said:
Well, the only Americans who matter in the stat are the ones who actually voted, so…
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Not so much, if there were many Harris voters among them. What might suggest that would the number of areas that went with Biden in 2020 and with Trump in 2024, along with lower turnout in 2024.
 
All military aid to Ukraine has now been halted, including any in transit in Poland. Inexcusable.
 
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