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Ok I am beyond fascinated now. What is with all these huge, strong/violent looking stovepipes in Saudi Arabia?? That is clearly a very significant, supercell-spawned tornado. I don’t know if any other desert region that experiences this type of tornadic phenomenon. What is different about that country that causes this to happen?
During the winter in Saudi Arabia, you occasionally get deep troughs with powerful jet streaks. The Red Sea acts as a significant moisture source even during the winter months. These factors might explain why Saudi Arabia gets these tornadoes.
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During the winter in Saudi Arabia, you occasionally get deep troughs with powerful jet streaks. The Red Sea acts as a significant moisture source even during the winter months. These factors might explain why Saudi Arabia gets these tornadoes.
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Stuff like this makes me wonder how many violent tornadoes have touched down in the Middle East and are never documented due to lack of witnesses and terrain to make tracing their paths possible, if a tornado goes over nothing but empty desert highly unlikely you could track it.
 

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We should really make a dedicated thread on SigTors outside the US; there's so much fascinating stuff here but it gets lost pretty quickly. And by "we" I mean somebody else lol - I haven't really devoted much time to tornadoes around the world so I'm out of the loop compared to some of y'all. Honestly it's been kinda mind-blowing to see just how many regions have major tornadoes at least occasionally. I guess it shouldn't be surprising, but it is, at least to me.
 

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We should really make a dedicated thread on SigTors outside the US; there's so much fascinating stuff here but it gets lost pretty quickly. And by "we" I mean somebody else lol - I haven't really devoted much time to tornadoes around the world so I'm out of the loop compared to some of y'all. Honestly it's been kinda mind-blowing to see just how many regions have major tornadoes at least occasionally. I guess it shouldn't be surprising, but it is, at least to me.
That's a great idea! I think I'll go ahead and start it. I agree it's fascinating to see what's happening around the globe.
 

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We should really make a dedicated thread on SigTors outside the US; there's so much fascinating stuff here but it gets lost pretty quickly. And by "we" I mean somebody else lol - I haven't really devoted much time to tornadoes around the world so I'm out of the loop compared to some of y'all. Honestly it's been kinda mind-blowing to see just how many regions have major tornadoes at least occasionally. I guess it shouldn't be surprising, but it is, at least to me.
I think it’s appropriate to make a thread for this so, I’ll be the one.
 

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Here's a video I've never seen before from 4/27 of the Phil Campbell tornado going through town. Ludicrously violent motion in this one, and the roar of course.
 

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Here's a video I've never seen before from 4/27 of the Phil Campbell tornado going through town. Ludicrously violent motion in this one, and the roar of course.
Good lord. Every new video I see from Hackleburg-Phil Campbell leaves me more and more convinced that this is pretty much exactly what we'd have seen coming out of Southern Illinois if everyone had a smartphone/video camera in 1925.
 

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Commonly seen screenshot of the 5/4/2003 KCK F4:
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The footage:
 
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The 2018 Alonsa tornado is notable for being the only officially rated EF4 of 2018 and the first tornado in Canada to be given an EF4+ on the EF-scale. What got it an EF4 rating was an anchored home that was completely swept away. What likely prevented it from getting a higher rating was the contextual damage next to the house.
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sad to know that with modern standards this wouldn't even be rated EF4.....that's what so bothering about vegetation being used as a down-grader contextual damage to me. vegetation behaves a whole lot differently to a house in high winds. specially for trees that are bendy and tend to be uprooted rather than denuded and debarked. that there looks like a very special case of very high end structure damage......next too....pretty much ef1 level contextual damage. sure in more common scenario's vegetation has the same level of damage to structures like what you'd expect for violent tornadoes....but there have been case's where some weird physics happen and trees are left with their leaves right next to an anchored home that got slabbed....
 

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Re: Alonsa, yes the Katie/Wynnewood tornado is a great comparable for it. Similar size, intensity, etc.

Would've been amazing if there was more long-form video of it.
 

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F5 damage in Niles OH.
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Incidentally, another example of a well-deserving F5 that probably wouldn't be an EF5 today - the sill plates were anchor bolted, but the foundation walls were CMU.

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(Although there were also a few slab homes swept away, so I suppose there's a chance it might earn an EF5 today. But probably not with the way things are going.)
 
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Incidentally, another example of a well-deserving F5 that probably wouldn't be an EF5 today - the sill plates were anchor bolted, but the foundation walls were CMU.

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(Although there were also a few slab homes swept away, so I suppose there's a chance it might earn an EF5 today. But probably not with the way things are going.)
Well the EF5 rating has pretty much been retired at this point, "high end-EF4" is the highest we'll ever get from the EF scale anymore.
I really don't put too much stock in the EF scale at this point, it needs to be replaced/retooled badly.
 
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Well the EF5 rating has pretty much been retired at this point, "high end-EF4" is the highest we'll ever get from the EF scale anymore.
I really don't put too much stock in the EF scale at this point, it needs to be replaced/retooled badly.
its not the scale. its the strictness of the nws pulling every excuse in the book out to nitpick a tornado into the lowest rating possible. they'll alway search for something.
here's a list of them.
missing washers
old bolts
old home
erosion
debris impact
ground not scoured
trees not fully debarked
missing bolt
"improperly sized bolts" <WHY???

and a whoooole lot more.
i think the biggest offender is when they downgraded a home in oklahoma to ef4 because, yes, ITS BOLTS WERE SLIGHTLY TOO SMALL.....where is that kind of stuff on the ef-scale documents???? everything else around the home screams EF-5 intensity. yet simply cause the bolts were like, a milimeter below normal size the entire house cant be rated EF-5...thus the tornado wasnt rated EF-5.....

like how nitpicky do you gotta be to do that??????
 
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