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Some Pittsfield damage photos I found
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Considering its reputation, it definitely seems to be one of the more poorly-documented Palm Sunday tornadoes.
 

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It actually seems harder to find detailed descriptions or photographs of violent damage from the June 2, 1990 tornado outbreak than the June 1, 1990, Bakersfield tornado.
 

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Here are two photos of the Chapman 2016 tornado I'm a little confused about. Are these two photos of the same home taken before and after cleanup, or are these two entirely different homes?
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Probably posted before, but here are some more:



























While on the topic of Pittsfield, I'll show a post I made on Palm Sunday 1965 in the early days of this thread (I have a feeling this thread could devolve into showing previous posts to newcomers if we're not careful):


 

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Here are two photos of the Chapman 2016 tornado I'm a little confused about. Are these two photos of the same home taken before and after cleanup, or are these two entirely different homes?
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Yeah it’s the same house but post cleanup.

Also, check out the reinforced concrete stemwall ripped apart in that second photo. Everybody knows about the railroad tracks that were warped by Chapman, but it seems like the incredible damage it did to this foundation gets overlooked.
 

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Speaking of Chapman, I came across this photo a few days ago that I don't think I'd seen before. Appears to be an old Chevy C60, or.. what remains of one, at least.

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Also, while we're (sort of) on the subject of Palm Sunday, I thought I posted these a while back but a quick search didn't turn them up. Anyway, the Coldwater Lake - Manitou Beach F4s (especially the first, J-4) were extremely violent and often overlooked. Up to 2 miles wide at times with several areas of borderline F5 damage. Not the most egregious should-have-been-F5 of the outbreak, but it's certainly got a spot in the discussion.









The large tank you can see in this photo was thrown around half a mile, btw:















 

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Yeah the Coldwater tornadoes produced some of the most violent damage in Michigan history imo.

Honestly, I feel like the only reason Palm Sunday isn’t really considered a “super” outbreak is due to a lack of F5 ratings, despite multiple tornadoes that produced obvious F5 damage. There were also probably numerous F0s and F1s that were never confirmed, and the total number of tornadoes that occurred that day is almost certainly higher that what is documented. It was by all indications on par with, or at least close to a 4/3/1974 or 4/27/2011 type of event.
 
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Also, while we're (sort of) on the subject of Palm Sunday, I thought I posted these a while back but a quick search didn't turn them up. Anyway, the Coldwater Lake - Manitou Beach F4s (especially the first, J-4) were extremely violent and often overlooked. Up to 2 miles wide at times with several areas of borderline F5 damage. Not the most egregious should-have-been-F5 of the outbreak, but it's certainly got a spot in the discussion.









The large tank you can see in this photo was thrown around half a mile, btw:















I found a couple of your previous posts way back in the thread:



Sorry if this is redundant but they're relevant to this discussion....the John Deere being torn in half is amazing, and somehow Sunnyside is only considered F4.
 

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Also, that pic #3 in loco’s post above says a lot with that car stripped down to its chassis in that brown muddy field. Definitely some intense debris granulation in pic #11, and what appears to be severe grass scouring, though harder to tell given the b&w photo.

Also, pic #3 in TH2002’s Pittsfield post shows what may be the most thoroughly stripped vehicle chassis I’ve ever seen. I wouldn’t have ever recognized it as such without the caption.
 
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Speaking of Chapman, I came across this photo a few days ago that I don't think I'd seen before. Appears to be an old Chevy C60, or.. what remains of one, at least.

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This pic showed up far back in page 7 of this thread's early days (man how time flies):


pohnpei dredged up quite a bit of automobile damage from this thing, another post of his. Amazing how Chapman mangled virtually every vehicle it encountered:

 

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Yeah the Coldwater tornadoes produced some of the most violent damage in Michigan history imo.

Honestly, I feel like the only reason Palm Sunday isn’t really considered a “super” outbreak is due to a lack of F5 ratings, despite multiple tornadoes that produced obvious F5 damage. There were also probably numerous F0s and F1s that were never confirmed, and the total number of tornadoes that occurred that day is almost certainly higher that what is documented. It was by all indications on par with, or at least close to a 4/3/1974 or 4/27/2011 type of event.
Pretty good case to be made that both the 1920 and 1965 Palm Sunday outbreaks should be considered super outbreaks, especially if you account for the low-balling of the official numbers with older events. Palm Sunday '65 officially has the second-most violent tornadoes (18) of any outbreak, of course. Palm Sunday '20 officially has "only" eight violent, but at least four others caused damage that probably could (should?) have been rated as violent, and several of the official F4s were actually families of multiple violent tornadoes. Not to mention the geographical extent of the outbreak, with violent tornadoes occurring as far north as the Tri-Cities area of Michigan and as far south as Central Alabama.
 
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Pretty good case to be made that both the 1920 and 1965 Palm Sunday outbreaks should be considered super outbreaks, especially if you account for the low-balling of the official numbers with older events. Palm Sunday '65 officially has the second-most violent tornadoes (18) of any outbreak, of course. Palm Sunday '20 officially has "only" eight violent, but at least four others caused damage that probably could (should?) have been rated as violent, and several of the official F4s were actually families of multiple violent tornadoes. Not to mention the geographical extent of the outbreak, with violent tornadoes occurring as far north as the Tri-Cities area of Michigan and as far south as Central Alabama.
I think 1965 could be considered a Super Outbreak on a smaller scale, or 4/27/11 shifted further north.
 

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I think 1965 could be considered a Super Outbreak on a smaller scale, or 4/27/11 shifted further north.
Honestly, even spatially it was a lot bigger than I think most people realize. Violent tornadoes spanned from Eastern Iowa to Cleveland and from Central Michigan to Central Indiana, which IIRC is something like 500 miles west-east and 200 miles north-south.
 
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Honestly, even spatially it was a lot bigger than I think most people realize. Violent tornadoes spanned from Eastern Iowa to Cleveland and from Central Michigan to Central Indiana, which IIRC is something like 500 miles west-east and 200 miles north-south.
The jet stream was like 140 kts in some places and some of the tornadoes were moving up to 75 mph....very few outbreaks before and after have had tornadoes clocking it across the ground like that.
 
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Honestly, even spatially it was a lot bigger than I think most people realize. Violent tornadoes spanned from Eastern Iowa to Cleveland and from Central Michigan to Central Indiana, which IIRC is something like 500 miles west-east and 200 miles north-south.
There were also violent & intense tornadoes in Arkansas and Kansas the day before the Palm Sunday outbreak.
 
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