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If I have time this weekend I can scan in the old 4/3/74 book (Boone) I posted photos from on the old site; I'm pretty sure that by 2021 it would be alright to share such an out of print publication with a few
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Significant Tornado Events
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Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Interesting quote in there involving the Winfield, KS F4 of the 1991 Plains Outbreak that spawned Andover and Red Rock (among others). Several storm chasers thought it was an F5. According to Grazulis one home was so thoroughly swept away that the survey teams likely missed it. This was a rumor attached to the Kellerville, TX tornado of 1995 but apparently it originates from something that happened with this tornado.
Check page 16 of the booklet for the information.
speedbump305
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If you had to decide which was stronger brandenburg or Guin, which would you choose?
speedbump305
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Yeah i agree. Now i admit i was spreading some rumors, but after more research, i’ve learned my lesson. i now tell the truth. But maybe he/she will start posting truths now and not lies.
A certain you know who attributed this to the Kellerville, TX F4 and it’s still widely reported as such. Mentioned this earlier on. He’s done so much damage to the amateur tornado damage research community.
So is you-know-who on here the same person who made that attribution in 2007?
List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes - Wikipedia
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Fourteen years is a long time for something to stick around if true.
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Based on documentation Brandenburg was more violent; that said my gut feeling is that Guin was more violent but it's poorly-documented in comparison it makes it hard to render a final judgment.
Brandenburg links:
1. Scroll down to me and buckeye's entries on this thread, some pretty impressive photos:
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The EF4 damage made by Cullman tornado 2011 was described as well constructed residence slab clean on DAT files. I can only find this famaous photo of this house which also showed some evidence of wind rowing. I am wondeing is there any other photos that can show different angles of this house...
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2. My post with more pics, note the tree debarking and grass/ground scouring in a couple:
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Looks like there was a significant tornado in Mongolia yesterday. 30 injuries, including 3 critical. Again showing that China is likely much more active tornado wise than previously though. I would love to hear from some of our posters in China if they have any info about this event!
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3. NWS article on it:
4. A wonderful site on the 4/3/74 outbreak. Don Macy's photos are where I found many of the ones I posted, they are great.
FYI the 4/3/74 site doesn't have anything on Guin, or any of the nighttime Alabama tornadoes, sadly. That section of the outbreak as a whole wasn't all that well-documented until fairly recently.
MNTornadoGuy
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What are some other common tornado damage myths he has spread?
speedbump305
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1: Brandenburg
2: Guin
3: Tanner 1
4: Xenia
5: Sayler Park
6: Tanner 1
7: Depauw indiana.
i do believe xenia was violent, but just not on brandenburg level.
Didnt the brandenburg tornado buckle or cave in basement walls juliett? Yeah my gut is like Guin was more violent. Brandenburg was FOR SURE more violent than Xenia and Tanner 2. Tanner 1 definitely deserves its recognition. Deep ground scouring, pump being lifted out, and the bathtub being embedded deeply into the ground, tanner 1 is definitely worth it’s F5 rating. in my opinion here’s my list of the most intense on that dayBased on documentation Brandenburg was more violent; that said my gut feeling is that Guin was more violent but it's poorly-documented in comparison it makes it hard to render a final judgment.
Brandenburg links:
1. Scroll down to me and buckeye's entries on this thread, some pretty impressive photos:
Significant Tornado Events
The EF4 damage made by Cullman tornado 2011 was described as well constructed residence slab clean on DAT files. I can only find this famaous photo of this house which also showed some evidence of wind rowing. I am wondeing is there any other photos that can show different angles of this house...
2. My post with more pics, note the tree debarking and grass/ground scouring in a couple:
Significant Tornado Events
Looks like there was a significant tornado in Mongolia yesterday. 30 injuries, including 3 critical. Again showing that China is likely much more active tornado wise than previously though. I would love to hear from some of our posters in China if they have any info about this event!
3. NWS article on it:
4. A wonderful site on the 4/3/74 outbreak. Don Macy's photos are where I found many of the ones I posted, they are great.
FYI the 4/3/74 site doesn't have anything on Guin, or any of the nighttime Alabama tornadoes, sadly. That section of the outbreak as a whole wasn't all that well-documented until fairly recently.
1: Brandenburg
2: Guin
3: Tanner 1
4: Xenia
5: Sayler Park
6: Tanner 1
7: Depauw indiana.
i do believe xenia was violent, but just not on brandenburg level.
Tanner 1 produced some pretty violent looking wind rowing and debris patterns as well.
speedbump305
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for sure. the rowing was very intense. Brandenburg and Tanner 1 from what i’ve seen, are both probably pretty far into the EF5 range. Have you seen any vehicle damage from the Tanner 1 tornado?
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locomusic01
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Just saw this following one of the links above. I dunno if anyone has since posted those photos again, but in case they haven't, I'll add them here. I took some screens on Google Earth from similar perspectives as a few of the aerial photos just as a rough point of comparison.
Around High St. & Roberta Dr. looking SE:
Same general area looking ESE:
Around High St. & Goff St. looking due E:
Near Lawrence St. & Green St. on the northern edge of town, looking SSE:
About the same area - Lawrence & Hardin:
Looking due S along Green St.:
Looking W from Main St. toward High St.:
I'll have a bunch more in a minute - just not sure if there's a limit on the number of photos per post.
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locomusic01
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A couple more views around Main St:
Appears I never got as far as figuring out where these were taken:
Appears I never got as far as figuring out where these were taken:
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locomusic01
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And a bunch of other assorted photos from Brandenburg:
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locomusic01
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But wait, there's more!
And finally, just a bunch of assorted photos (of varying utility/interest) that I threw into an album:
And finally, just a bunch of assorted photos (of varying utility/interest) that I threw into an album:
speedbump305
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But wait, there's more!
And finally, just a bunch of assorted photos (of varying utility/interest) that I threw into an album:
Thanks for all the pics! dang brandenburg really proved it’s intensity. The damage i see is for sure F5 worthy and would still be F5 worthy today
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locomusic01
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There's a LOT to be gleaned from those photos, but that's the clear takeaway - unlike some of the other F5s from that era, there's really no doubting Brandenburg's intensity.
speedbump305
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For sure, Brandenburg was no question well into the EF5. It’s pretty much the Hackleburg or Smithville of the 1970s era
speedbump305
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Just curious y’all. have any of y’all been in any Violent EF4/EF5 Tornadoes?