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Significant Tornado Events

I'd argue that Jud, Texas tornado of Friday the 13th (March 13th, 1953) reached F5 intensity at one pointView attachment 49328
This seem like a very intense event but the photo is of bad quality. I think I see a house slab in the 1st photo but no way to tell anchoring from this kind of photo. The trucks and cars don’t seem that mangled, but everything in the 1st photo else seems to have been blown down to ground level except a single tree.
 
I’m noticing some common threads here in the sentiments among a lot of these younger, overly dismissive, newer, and not particularly knowledgeable tornado intensity enthusiasts. I suspect there is a group chat or community outside of TalkWeather in which this “defaulting to skepticism and nit picking/dismissing everything” is currently “in” and being falsely equated to having higher knowledge in the field of tornado intensity and damage surveying. That mindset is likely being rewarded and reinforced by others who make people who engage in that kind of approach feel like they’re “on the right track” and are learning the “right way” to look at tornado damage and intensity estimation, unlike those crazy people over at TalkWeather who just overhype and call everything an EF5 candidate.

This is coming from someone who already went through that phase of essentially cosplaying as mister super conservative, nit picking, smarty pants damage surveyor who’s level headed skepticism allowed me to rise above all the “hype” and “exaggeration”. That was me when I was younger, and I truly thought I had it all figured out, but I can tell you based on experience that defaulting to skepticism and relentless nit picking brings you no closer to having a better understanding of the relationship between tornado intensity and damage. But I get it, everyone wants to distance themselves from the “omgg there’s a muddy spot and a bare slab in that one pic! this was an f5!” that we all once were when we were first getting into this. I went through that phase too when I was much younger, and I also went through the aforementioned phase afterwards where I overcorrected and became too skeptical and conservative as I got older. I think we’re seeing a lot of people collectively in that overcorrection phase as they get older too. I’m 31 now, and I now know that when it comes to the topic of tornado damage and intensity estimation, having a good grasp on things doesn’t come down to being skeptical OR being bullish. It comes down to being observant, objective, and putting more stock into what actually happens in real life tornado events of various intensities, instead of putting stock into what you’ve heard other people say is or isn’t significant.

The best things you can do to have a good grasp on tornado damage and intensity is to observe all available damage info from various tornado events in great detail, take notes, build a mental catalog of tornado events and the damage they caused, look at both the structural and contextual damage, compare the two, recognize patterns, recognize inconsistencies, and overall just study the aftermath of historic tornado events like case law. If you do that over the course of multiple years, combined with poring over official studies and presentations from EF scale experts like Jim LaDue, you’ll truly get a good feel for things.

But going down the “grass scouring is meaningless” and “it doesn’t really matter that a truck was found two miles from its point of origin” route will do nothing but cloud your judgement and make you blind to what’s important in the realm of intensity estimation.
You're 31? That just makes your past insults and comments on me and my opinions even more immature. If you're really adamant that ground scouring or grass scouring is such a reliable way to tell extreme intensity of a tornado, you shouldn't whine and call people "knuckle-draggers" or idiotic for believing those type of scourings are unreliable, that just makes you look like a rude jerk who can't take opposing opinions or criticism, and it makes people not want to hear you out more. Not really a great thing for a 17 year old to be less insult hurling than a grown money maker man in his 30s
 
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This seem like a very intense event but the photo is of bad quality. I think I see a house slab in the 1st photo but no way to tell anchoring from this kind of photo. The trucks and cars don’t seem that mangled, but everything in the 1st photo else seems to have been blown down to ground level except a single tree.

The path was apparently less than 100 yards wide
 
I am going to attempt to compile a list of every tornado described in significant tornadoes 1680-1991 as possible or probable F5 for further research.
 
(p.s. I’m backtracking but for the first time ever on this site some of the comments made tonight genuinely had me laughing my a$$ off. Definitely a historic night on the forum.)
Agreed. This was honestly hilarious. Most lively this forum has been in months!
I’m noticing some common threads here in the sentiments among a lot of these younger, overly dismissive, newer, and not particularly knowledgeable tornado intensity enthusiasts. I suspect there is a group chat or community outside of TalkWeather in which this “defaulting to skepticism and nit picking/dismissing everything” is currently “in” and being falsely equated to having higher knowledge in the field of tornado intensity and damage surveying. That mindset is likely being rewarded and reinforced by others who make people who engage in that kind of approach feel like they’re “on the right track” and are learning the “right way” to look at tornado damage and intensity estimation, unlike those crazy people over at TalkWeather who just overhype and call everything an EF5 candidate.
Most of our newer users are from Discord. Which is a totally fine tool for communication and hobby posting. Some of them have been good contributors. However, I’ve noticed common beliefs amongst each one of them:
pretty unrealistic expectations and nitpicking for damage, a distrust and sometimes outright hatred for TornadoTalk, and for some an inability to articulate their opinions.
 
For the Jud-Knox City damage footage:

The total destruction near the end of the video is especially shocking.
 
Agreed. This was honestly hilarious. Most lively this forum has been in months!

Most of our newer users are from Discord. Which is a totally fine tool for communication and hobby posting. Some of them have been good contributors. However, I’ve noticed common beliefs amongst each one of them:
pretty unrealistic expectations and nitpicking for damage, a distrust and sometimes outright hatred for TornadoTalk, and for some an inability to articulate their opinions.
That’s interesting. I found this forum through searching for “1974 brandenburg tornado F5 damage photos” when I was little. I also don’t understand why one would hate tornado talk? Like, they are greedy, but the summaries are really detailed and well written.
 
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I'm still going to use wikipedia over TT any day of the week, especially since TT loves paywalling everything and I rather not give money to read a likely mediocre at best article
Criticize their paywalls till the cows come home, but if you think TornadoTalk's articles are "mediocre", you've clearly never read one.

You're 31? That just makes your past insults and comments on me and my opinions even more immature. If you're really adamant that ground scouring or grass scouring is such a reliable way to tell extreme intensity of a tornado, you shouldn't whine and call people "knuckle-draggers" or idiotic for believing those type of scourings are unreliable, that just makes you look like a rude jerk who can't take opposing opinions or criticism, and it makes people not want to hear you out more. Not really a great thing for a 17 year old to be less insult hurling than a grown money maker man in his 30s
Holy s**t dude, everybody except you has already moved on. Let it go.
 
Well. For the most part been taking a break from everything and enjoying my peace as I’m on break for college. Came back to see… Whatever this is. I will say this it would be very helpful to back your claim with some evidence, even just a little on why a tornado got the rating it did. I have a decent amount of knowledge about tornadoes and ratings, and always looking for something to learn about and being willing to learn about. When someone tells you they have over a decade of experience and knowledge about something, id take that into consideration and learn from him.

You dont always have to or need to be right, I’ve been on this forum since 2019, have had a couple accounts on here and the one thing I’ve done is sit here and learn from others. If you want to expand your interest in tornadoes you need to build a foundation then work into the knitty gritty of DI’s and how each office has their own expectations on ratings etc. Again, you can be wrong, nobody will ever be perfect, but we’re all learning something to some degree. Last thing I’ll say, they’re might be a reason why everyone is disagreeing with you, and I would assess that. Not in a bad way, but try to understand what they’re seeing versus what you’re seeing. Sometimes it takes a little bit for a new lightbulb to turn on. All I’m asking is just understand their points and METEOROLOGICALLY back it up.

With all that being said I hope yall have had a good Christmas and I hope everyone has a great new year!
 
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-Extremely violent debris patterns, or as I like to say “the most impressive debris pattern, is no debris pattern at all”. What I mean by this is homes being so thoroughly obliterated that there is virtually no recoverable debris, or when what small amount of debris that remains is widely dispersed over a huge area with no actual scatter path away from the foundation. Extreme wind rowing is also impressive, but not quite as impressive as what I just described.
By “no debris pattern,” what do you mean specifically? The best examples of windrowing I can think of right off the top of my head are Andover ‘91 and the aerial of Bremen in ‘21. Those areas of damage seemed like they were interchangeable in being “as high end as it gets” as far as debris patterns are concerned. I feel like even in the highest end events, I still can see some level of a pattern, unless you’re talking about Jarrell.

-Concrete scouring, which is so rare that it’s barely worth mentioning. It only happens in the most high-end of high-end events.
What tornadoes did this? I’m curious. I’ve never heard of this phenomenon before, what discerns it from regular damage to concrete and/or debris impacts?
 
By “no debris pattern,” what do you mean specifically? The best examples of windrowing I can think of right off the top of my head are Andover ‘91 and the aerial of Bremen in ‘21. Those areas of damage seemed like they were interchangeable in being “as high end as it gets” as far as debris patterns are concerned. I feel like even in the highest end events, I still can see some level of a pattern, unless you’re talking about Jarrell.
Not enough debris to make a pattern.

What tornadoes did this? I’m curious. I’ve never heard of this phenomenon before, what discerns it from regular damage to concrete and/or debris impacts?
Jarrell is one I know for sure did it.
 
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