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Significant Tornado Events

joshoctober16 said:
a thing no one has really talk about yet about the Plainfield tornado , is that it seems like base on the conditions , it was similar to Elie , and jarrell, who were both hybrid tornadoes (landspout conditions under a mesocyclone)

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im pretty sure the May 2 2024 Hawley tornado would also be in this hybrid zone.
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There is reasonable proof that the Matador EF3(+) had hybrid characteristics as well; being it's boundary based formation.
 
NewFoundWeatherNerd said:
There is reasonable proof that the Matador EF3(+) had hybrid characteristics as well; being it's boundary based formation.
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Seems like these hybrids are capable of being incredibly violent, interestingly enough. Not referred to on the graph, but I also believe there's evidence that Greenfield at least began as a landspout before turning into a full-fledged mesocyclonic tornado - Trey's video on the May 21 2024 event is a goldmine.
 
slenker said:
Seems like these hybrids are capable of being incredibly violent, interestingly enough. Not referred to on the graph, but I also believe there's evidence that Greenfield at least began as a landspout before turning into a full-fledged mesocyclonic tornado - Trey's video on the May 21 2024 event is a goldmine.
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Hybrid tornadoes truly need to be studied further; it's becoming very obvious that our view of what's a "hybrid tornado" and what's a "classic/fully mesocyclonic tornado" are far too one dimensional. The line between what is, and isn't, is a lot more nebulous; as Greenfield, despite almost certainly being a cold-pool based landspout/mesocyclone hybrid, acts nothing like your "typical" hybrid such as Jarrell, or Perryton; coming from other sorts of boundaries. But despite being completely different, they're still genuinely similar; all three of the mentioned tornadoes began as landspouts. Fun fact; one study concludes that "hybrid-like" processes aided in the 2013 El Reno EF3(or 5, but whatever) tornado.

Something I do think about is the inverse of this process: where typically you have a Landspout connect to a mesocyclone; but could a tornado do the opposite? Being cut off from mesocyclonic rotation, but then going on to still thrive as a landspout for an extended period of time. I wonder if there is any sort of example
 
slenker said:
Seems like these hybrids are capable of being incredibly violent, interestingly enough. Not referred to on the graph, but I also believe there's evidence that Greenfield at least began as a landspout before turning into a full-fledged mesocyclonic tornado - Trey's video on the May 21 2024 event is a goldmine.
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probably should of stated it was more of the more likely core zone , hybrids could still form out of that zone.
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it would likely look more like this for the outer most edge (note there was a second area where landspouts and supercell tornadoes seem to happen so i added that small spot in this time)
 
NewFoundWeatherNerd said:
Hybrid tornadoes truly need to be studied further; it's becoming very obvious that our view of what's a "hybrid tornado" and what's a "classic/fully mesocyclonic tornado" are far too one dimensional. The line between what is, and isn't, is a lot more nebulous; as Greenfield, despite almost certainly being a cold-pool based landspout/mesocyclone hybrid, acts nothing like your "typical" hybrid such as Jarrell, or Perryton; coming from other sorts of boundaries. But despite being completely different, they're still genuinely similar; all three of the mentioned tornadoes began as landspouts. Fun fact; one study concludes that "hybrid-like" processes aided in the 2013 El Reno EF3(or 5, but whatever) tornado.

Something I do think about is the inverse of this process: where typically you have a Landspout connect to a mesocyclone; but could a tornado do the opposite? Being cut off from mesocyclonic rotation, but then going on to still thrive as a landspout for an extended period of time. I wonder if there is any sort of example
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i also have a theory that moore 2013 was like the el reno 2013 situation but for a longer period , you might of seen on the damage tool kit the center line extends way further , however the outline isn't there, i have herd that they had a hard time deciding what to classified that spot as it seems the tornadic wind speed did not extend to the cloud , however was clearly spinning like a gustnado / landspout thingy for over 8 minutes.

this was all done before the whole ground up theory came , this starting point would of been possibly surveyed differently if they had known this.

ironicly i think the backwards thing you explain was seen a few days ago , i remember watching reeds live video of him intercepting a strange tornado that started out fully mesocyclonic, but then slowly look less and less mesocylonic and became landspout ish, then it became gustnado ish and moved quickly.
Edit ( here is a image about the moore start path showing the uncertainty of what was going on there).
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NewFoundWeatherNerd said:
Hybrid tornadoes truly need to be studied further; it's becoming very obvious that our view of what's a "hybrid tornado" and what's a "classic/fully mesocyclonic tornado" are far too one dimensional. The line between what is, and isn't, is a lot more nebulous; as Greenfield, despite almost certainly being a cold-pool based landspout/mesocyclone hybrid, acts nothing like your "typical" hybrid such as Jarrell, or Perryton; coming from other sorts of boundaries. But despite being completely different, they're still genuinely similar; all three of the mentioned tornadoes began as landspouts. Fun fact; one study concludes that "hybrid-like" processes aided in the 2013 El Reno EF3(or 5, but whatever) tornado.

Something I do think about is the inverse of this process: where typically you have a Landspout connect to a mesocyclone; but could a tornado do the opposite? Being cut off from mesocyclonic rotation, but then going on to still thrive as a landspout for an extended period of time. I wonder if there is any sort of example
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would this count as the inverse process?
clearly see the mesocyclone and tail cloud.
 
joshoctober16 said:
i also have a theory that moore 2013 was like the el reno 2013 situation but for a longer period , you might of seen on the damage tool kit the center line extends way further , however the outline isn't there, i have herd that they had a hard time deciding what to classified that spot as it seems the tornadic wind speed did not extend to the cloud , however was clearly spinning like a gustnado / landspout thingy for over 8 minutes.

this was all done before the whole ground up theory came , this starting point would of been possibly surveyed differently if they had known this.

ironicly i think the backwards thing you explain was seen a few days ago , i remember watching reeds live video of him intercepting a strange tornado that started out fully mesocyclonic, but then slowly look less and less mesocylonic and became landspout ish, then it became gustnado ish and moved quickly.
Edit ( here is a image about the moore start path showing the uncertainty of what was going on there).
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I saw that funny thing yesterday and didnt even think of the possibility; you could be right, I wish we got a look at what was happening overhead.

I do have a few videos of the formation of Moore; and you can really see that it was this very dynamic shape, and shockingly similar to the formation of the Rochelle tornado despite the entirely different set of conditions. Same thin, elongated, and visible cone shape with either.
 
Ivanthetornadoenthusiast said:
@locomusic01 (sorry for the ping), do you have any informations on the May 1927 outbreak?
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Haven't really gotten into researching it much. All I have is a few random photos from a few of the tornadoes.

Carey Salt Plant in Hutchinson, KS (part of the massive Medicine Lodge F5 family that I really want to get into at some point):

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A store/home in Hutchinson:

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Wreckage of a church and school near Kingman:

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What remained of a ranch near Aetna:

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The family's car:

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Some random shots from the North Platte, NE F3:

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These are from the Garland, TX F4. First few are described as being whole rows of homes that were wiped out, although it's hard to make out much:

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Several houses apparently wiped out in the background here but you can't really see much:

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And a mangled car sitting in the rubble of a house where a person was killed:

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A few from the Hoxie, AR F4:

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All I have from the Nevada, TX F4 is a clipped news page:

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And a few random ones from the Poplar Bluff F4. This was apparently a five-story home furnishings store (although that seems.. questionable?):

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A garage:

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Low-quality aerial view:

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Northeast of town:

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Part of the business district:

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A Standard Oil service station earlier in the path near Imboden, AR:

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locomusic01 said:
Oh and two views of a home hit by the Eldon, MO F4; apparently no one was badly hurt here but nine people were killed in the neighborhood, which is ~10mi W of Eldon:

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Another home somewhere closer to Eldon:

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Wow, Eldon had an F4 in the past? It was also the origin point of the EF3 that struck Jefferson City, MO back in 2019 (I lived there at the time, crazy night). Amazing how many places have had multiple tornadoes strike them.
 
NewFoundWeatherNerd said:
I saw that funny thing yesterday and didnt even think of the possibility; you could be right, I wish we got a look at what was happening overhead.

I do have a few videos of the formation of Moore; and you can really see that it was this very dynamic shape, and shockingly similar to the formation of the Rochelle tornado despite the entirely different set of conditions. Same thin, elongated, and visible cone shape with either.
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the lake city tornado was quite similar to the moore tornado as well for stage wise , same could be said about matador.
 
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