Significant Tornado Events

[joshoctober16]

The bottom line feels like this: There needs to be a point where they can very obviously say that contextuals need to be taken into account. It’s simply not accurate to call Matador an EF3, not even close. The argument that people say where “people lost their lives, it’s just a rating” is understandable but inherently flawed because scientific accuracy still matters too, for the sake of the future.

i think base on stuff ive seen... that the "people lost their lives, its just a rating" could by by accident be bullying others to stop talking about the rating , thus making the ratings more inaccurate however.... ive seen studies now that... because the EF scale is so broken and they under rate stuff so much that they started to use EF1 tornadoes as EF2 for areas that are more open field (classic tornado alley) they state there doing this because tornadoes could likely be stronger as they didn't hit anything... yes ... i agree for most... but some of them are likely still just EF1 and this small data set could mess up the data some more thus making models more inaccurate and or making futures studies as more junk for the future.... causing warning lead time and false alarm to go up... thus killing more people.....

so in a nutshell the "its just a rating" might be true for the tornado that happen at that moment but might cause more death for future because we are not rating them correctly.

if some one can find that study or paper that are starting to make the classic tornado alley tornadoes that are rated only EF1 as EF2 just post a link for what i mean.

 

[joshoctober16]

I believe these two pictures are the same home. This was an “exceptionally well built” brick home that was three stories(?) iirc. Strangely, the tornado wasn’t scouring the ground nearly as much as it was in Hackleburg or Phil Campbell within Oak Grove, so the tornado either reached maximum intensity in Oak Grove and the soil is stronger there, or the tornado was at maximum intensity somewhere before/after and it didn’t hit anything well built enough to justify it being at maximum intensity at those locations. I also understand that ground/grass scouring is a very strange phenomenon and isn’t consistent in violent tornadoes either.

if im correct after it left this home it did do some ground scouring.

 

[Western_KS_Wx]

Also I can't help but notice the lack of genuine images of EF5 damage from Hackleburg. I think I have seen one home in Hackleburg with anchor bolts but that is it. (Not saying it does not deserve EF5, it most certainly did).

I’m not sure how well-built some of these structures were, but there were numerous homes that were wiped clean entirely. For a time I thought Hackleburg-Phil Campbell’s intensity was a bit overrated, that is until I dug deep and found some absolutely remarkable damage photos.

Here’s some of the multiple homes that were swept away from Hackleburg-Mount Hope:






There’s also the damage to the wrangler plant that’s extremely impressive. I’m not sure what rating the plant itself was assigned, but damage here was indicative of EF5 intensity in my opinion.

 

[Western_KS_Wx]

The thing also left behind some truly insane vegetation and contextual damage that ranks among the most violent photographed.

 

[HAwkmoon]

I’m not sure how well-built some of these structures were, but there were numerous homes that were wiped clean entirely. For a time I thought Hackleburg-Phil Campbell’s intensity was a bit overrated, that is until I dug deep and found some absolutely remarkable damage photos.

Here’s some of the multiple homes that were swept away from Hackleburg-Mount Hope:
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There’s also the damage to the wrangler plant that’s extremely impressive. I’m not sure what rating the plant itself was assigned, but damage here was indicative of EF5 intensity in my opinion.

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Is that first image in Hackleburg? Also how would you say it compares to Greensburg or Parkersburg?

 

[Western_KS_Wx]

Is that first image in Hackleburg? Also how would you say it compares to Greensburg or Parkersburg?

It’s labeled as being in Hackleburg yes. Almost every photo was taken around Hackleburg to Phil Campbell-Mount Hope.

I think they were all pretty similar, the only glaring difference is forward speed but I don’t really buy into that argument. Video evidence from Parkersburg showed the most intense winds lasting only a few seconds, and survivor accounts from Greensburg also detail the most extreme winds lasting just a few moments. I will say the tree damage from Hackleburg was extraordinary, and about rivals that seen in Parkersburg and Greensburg.

 

[TH2002]

It’s labeled as being in Hackleburg yes. Almost every photo was taken around Hackleburg to Phil Campbell-Mount Hope.

I think they were all pretty similar, the only glaring difference is forward speed but I don’t really buy into that argument. Video evidence from Parkersburg showed the most intense winds lasting only a few seconds, and survivor accounts from Greensburg also detail the most extreme winds lasting just a few moments. I will say the tree damage from Hackleburg was extraordinary, and about rivals that seen in Parkersburg and Greensburg.

First photo is actually the Phil Campbell Church of God, and photo 6 is most likely a driveway or garage slab. Either way, impressive stuff.

 

[HAwkmoon]

The thing also left behind some truly insane vegetation and contextual damage that ranks among the most violent photographed.
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By the way I found the photo of a car wrapped around a debarked tree in Phil Campbell that the NWS mentions, albeit it is in B&W.

 

[HAwkmoon]

Here’s some from New Hartford:

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Parkersburg was an absolute monster, no doubt one of the most violent tornadoes in modern history. No shortage of incredible damage feats from this tornado either.

Any images of the EF5 rated homes besides the one with the wall collapsed in the basement?

 

[SpotlightForRareTornadoes]

Any info on this 124-year-old drill bit that killed 10 and injured 8, sounds like another Thurman incident

 

[Ivanthetornadoenthusiast]

There were 3 other intense tornadoes from this outbreak which I can’t find damage photos from which included the Woodville VA, Weaversville VA, and Frederick MD tornadoes. The Weaversville and Frederick tornadoes in particular were likely one of the stronger tornadoes of the outbreak as they leveled homes/farms. In total 31 people were killed during this outbreak making it one of the deadliest in Mid-Atlantic history.

There's actually some damage pictures from Woodville tornado

 

[Ivanthetornadoenthusiast]

Woodville Elementary Schoolhouse before and after the tornado:


Lillard Pulliam's home:

Callie Johnson's home:

Woodville Baptist Church before and after the tornado:

 

[HAwkmoon]

Four more West Frankfort Pics I forgot to post:View attachment 7182View attachment 7183View attachment 7184View attachment 7185

Hey, are there anymore photos from this series in West Frankfort? They are very high quality.

 

[SpotlightForRareTornadoes]

On this day, 14 years ago, a 175 mph drillbit tornado was recorded near the North Dakota/Minnesota border. This was some of the best footage of an EF4+ drillbit tornado ever captured before the 2020 Ashby tornado made it cool

 

[HAwkmoon]

I believe that this is a photograph from GorhamView attachment 28542

which direction is this facing?

 

[HAwkmoon]

I've got the same photo saved in my 1896 St. Louis-East St. Louis folder. I don't see anything that's immediately identifiable either way though, so without researching it I can't say for certain that's where it's from.

Any other images from 1896? It appears to be the costliest tornado of all time accounting for things like property prices, changes in wealth and inflation etc.

 

[Tanner]

Some photos from Brandenburg 1974 I’ve never seen before. Courtesy of SRRadarLoops on X.

 

[HAwkmoon]

Some photos from Brandenburg 1974 I’ve never seen before. Courtesy of SRRadarLoops on X.

Wow, are there any other photos like these?

 

[SpotlightForRareTornadoes]

On this day, 146 years ago, A violent tornado struck Wallingford, CT causing 34 fatalities and injuring 70. Unofficially rated F4 by Grazulis, it was the most powerful tornado to hit the state of Connecticut until the 1979 Windsor-Locks F4, and the deadliest tornado to hit New England until the 1953 Worcester Tornado. The photos taken after the storm were the first tornado damage photos in history.

 

[Sawmaster]

That second photo would have also been the first stereoscopic tornado damage pic as well.