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Significant Tornado Events

is the browning of the ground here actually from scouring? cause if it is it only reenforces my opinion that the tornado was of EF5 intensity here. cause this tornado was moving quite fast through here. likely around 55 to 65 mph.
 

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I can see what you're speaking of. If this exact location is known and was surveyed there might be an answer there. If there was sparse-to-no ground-cover vegetation beforehand this could be loose dirt blown in a pattern drying unevenly, but could equally be mild scouring.

Some good close-up pics of the site and surrounding areas would help if they exist. And they should, however...........:confused::mad::eek:

Phil
 
Sawmaster said:
I can see what you're speaking of. If this exact location is known and was surveyed there might be an answer there. If there was sparse-to-no ground-cover vegetation beforehand this could be loose dirt blown in a pattern drying unevenly, but could equally be mild scouring.

Some good close-up pics of the site and surrounding areas would help if they exist. And they should, however...........:confused::mad::eek:

Phil
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this is that row of houses near that one cmu house that was blasted away with Smithville like violence. the one we've all seen cause its probably the structure that got hit the hardest in bremen despite its cmu construction.
 
Sawmaster said:
I can see what you're speaking of. If this exact location is known and was surveyed there might be an answer there. If there was sparse-to-no ground-cover vegetation beforehand this could be loose dirt blown in a pattern drying unevenly, but could equally be mild scouring.

Some good close-up pics of the site and surrounding areas would help if they exist. And they should, however...........:confused::mad::eek:

Phil
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Photos of this place
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Thanks for the pics, but I'm still not sure if it's scouring though strong wind violence is very clearly evident. Maybe marginal scouring in spots. Here again the systemic problems emerge where scouring shouldn't be needed to make the call one way or another and I'm inclined to think this EF-5 level damage too.

Phil
 
probably little top soil removed but definitely alot of grass torn out and plastered all over everything. i've never seen grass plastering that extensive.
 
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probably little top soil removed but definitely alot of grass torn out and plastered all over everything. i've never seen grass plastering that extensive.
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Many example of that but I've only seen it in the strongest tornadoes, which sort of makes the point here. I really just wish we didn't need to be discussing this for the reason we are; there would be more and better for everyone had they rated Bremem correctly instead of that dividing and distracting us.

Phil
 
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Many example of that but I've only seen it in the strongest tornadoes, which sort of makes the point here. I really just wish we didn't need to be discussing this for the reason we are; there would be more and better for everyone had they rated Bremem correctly instead of that dividing and distracting us.

Phil
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indeed.
 
bremen will go down as one of the best examples of extreme EF5 contextual damage under-rated because of construction quality....well...apart from that one home rated 190 that should have been a clear EF5 point. under-rated because trees next to the home weren't quote "gone" cause apparently tree's need to be straight up gone in order too get an EF5 rating.
 
Couple things to note.

1. A single EF-5 DI doesn't necessarily indicate that the tornado should be rated EF-5.
2. Tornado ratings now are supposed to be minimum-bound. That means that a tornado rated EF-4 190mph can be confirmed, based on damage, to have at least 190 mph winds. That rating means they can verify that there were, with almost 100% certainty, winds of that strength. It doesn't discount that wind speed could've been higher, and doesn't say that they don't think the wind speed was higher, but that they can verify the wind speed of the rating happened.

I think #2 is what a lot of people miss. It's a minimum bound, guaranteed wind speed. Not how strong we think the tornado was.
 
Bremen isn’t the only area of **Possible** EF5 damage. For example there’s an area just SW of Mayfield where homes were swept clean. 1 of which was well built with all anchor bolts bent some ripped out. Every tree was sheared to near or at ground level, and several vehicles including a pickup truck was thrown ~300 yards. This home was likely just as well built as the Bremen home, however poor roof connections prevented this from getting rated EF5.

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CalebRoutt said:
Bremen isn’t the only area of **Possible** EF5 damage. For example there’s an area just SW of Mayfield where homes were swept clean. 1 of which was well built with all anchor bolts bent some ripped out. Every tree was sheared to near or at ground level, and several vehicles including a pickup truck was thrown ~300 yards. This home was likely just as well built as the Bremen home, however poor roof connections prevented this from getting rated EF5.

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Maybe even some ground scouring here too?
 
xJownage said:
Couple things to note.

1. A single EF-5 DI doesn't necessarily indicate that the tornado should be rated EF-5.
2. Tornado ratings now are supposed to be minimum-bound. That means that a tornado rated EF-4 190mph can be confirmed, based on damage, to have at least 190 mph winds. That rating means they can verify that there were, with almost 100% certainty, winds of that strength. It doesn't discount that wind speed could've been higher, and doesn't say that they don't think the wind speed was higher, but that they can verify the wind speed of the rating happened.

I think #2 is what a lot of people miss. It's a minimum bound, guaranteed wind speed. Not how strong we think the tornado was.
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thats not what the scale says dude.
 
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