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Significant Tornado Events - Global Edition

do you still have these photos?
Unfortunately the original article was obliterated for an unknown reason and the Internet Archive was no help. Should have saved the darn photos... oh well.

Also, sorry I didn't help more with the Ivanovo project. I did spend hours digging in local and national US newspapers to find any coverage of the event from this side of the Iron Curtain, but couldn't even find a passing mention. Guess the KGB did a really good job at preventing news of the outbreak from spreading beyond the USSR lol
 
He only has 240K subscribers, so it isn't a huge channel, but his content is still amazing! Yes, he has inaccurate photos, but mainly those are for placeholders for when there aren't any real known photos of actual tornadoes. I don't know honestly...who knows, maybe he has a lot of people that already know where the photos were really from. Sometimes, you just gotta do with what you have. Also, Like many other tornado Youtubers, Swegle has been fooled by the fake San Justo tornado photos. But he is not the only one, Carly Anna WX is another Weather YouTuber who used the pseudo photo in her South American tornado video. And let's not forget the pseudo F4 of 1961 near Glendive, MT on Tornado Archive (which you can still see) that caused Swegle to rank Montana higher on a tier list he created when he made a video on ranking all 50 states for tornado activity. He still has a lot to learn
It's not just photos. He made an entire video that perpetuates the false rumor that "Vince Rupert" died filming the Warner Robins tornado, which simply isn't true (to be fair, I believed that rumor at one point, but my source was a Facebook post from NWS Peachtree City themselves).

I can understand using photos as placeholders if no actual photo of [insert tornado here] is available, but said should be done so with some kind of disclaimer.

Not at all saying Swegle is a bad person or that his content is completely terrible. He seems like a nice guy and (as I've said before) he is talented at video production. But I stand by my point that he doesn't strive for factual accuracy, he strives to please Google's algorithms and YT viewers who thrive on polished, inoffensive content.
 
Unfortunately the original article was obliterated for an unknown reason and the Internet Archive was no help. Should have saved the darn photos... oh well.

Also, sorry I didn't help more with the Ivanovo project. I did spend hours digging in local and national US newspapers to find any coverage of the event from this side of the Iron Curtain, but couldn't even find a passing mention. Guess the KGB did a really good job at preventing news of the outbreak from spreading beyond the USSR lol
rip to the article, i guess we don't have proper evidence of a nigerian viotor now lol

also thanks for searching for ivanovo stuff, no problem that you couldn't help more, its a long term project, I have made some decent progress, so whenever you feel like helping just throw me a message
 
Today marks the anniversary of the Woldegk tornado in 1764, one of the strongest tornadoes in history

The wikipedia page on it can be found HERE
 
It's worth mentioned that Palluel tornado was reanalysised as IF5 rating recently. They mentioned that though there was some uncertainty, but they choose to go upper bend with the highest rating.
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Also 7/24/1930 tornado in Italy was also reanalysised as IF5 rating tornado.
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The famous church damage was rated IF4 but the adjacent building below was rates IF5
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Those things further proved that the IF5 rating is certainly achievable in Europe, compared with the pretty much unachievable EF5 rating in US now.
Another angle of the funeral hall damage in Montello. It looks noticeably less intense from this angle, and while I do think this tornado was a solid F4 I have yet to see any evidence of actual F5 damage from it.
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Regarding Palluel, I believe this is the factory building mentioned in the ESWD description. Yeah, definitely very thick masonry walls, but the amount of uncertainty in the entry doesn't exactly scream F5 to me:
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Plus, if that damage from Palluel was rated IF5, then why wasn't similar damage from the 1931 Lublin tornado, 1927 Neede tornado and others rated as such? Goes to show that problems with tornado rating consistency aren't limited to the US.
 
@MNTornadoGuy and myself have made previous posts about this tornado, but since most of the photos in them have been obliterated owing to dead links, might as well make another post. I'll try to include photos that haven't been posted here before.

On June 16, 1957, one of the most violent tornadoes ever recorded in Italy (and Europe in general) cut an approximately 10 km long path through the villages of Robecco Pavese, Vallescuropasso and Cigognola. Similar to the Elie, MB storm of 2007, the tornado appeared as a very long-stretched and narrow funnel, looking almost harmless from a distance. But the damage it left behind tells a very different story...

Photos of the tornado itself, starting with this one taken as the storm formed outside of Robecco Pavese:
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Taken in Robecco Pavese:
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The man who took this photo actually took at least two more, but unfortunately the scans of the other ones are no longer available.

Cigognola:
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Now, on to the damage. People in Robecco Pavese saw the tornado approaching and scrambled for shelter. The village was hard hit, with more than half of the buildings there damaged or destroyed. Twenty homes were reported as completely leveled, and a few were even swept away. Sixteen people were trapped when the village church's walls collapsed, but fortunately they were all rescued. Several structures indicated F4 intensity per the ESWD's assessment, and per my own analysis one or two indicated F5 intensity. The contextual damage was also impressive as trees were mowed down and debarked, and vehicles were hurled and mangled.

Remains of a sturdy masonry home. In my opinion this is an IF5 DI, as all debris above the basement level has been swept away and deposited downwind:
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An essentially pancaked Fiat Topolino:
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This one with a debarked tree standing right in front of a comparatively untouched building reminds me of Guin:
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Other shots from Robecco Pavese:
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Remarkably, despite the devastation, there were no fatalities in Robecco Pavese. But this storm wasn't done...

Continuing on its SSE path, the next villages in line were Vallescuropasso and Cigognola. The tornado may have weakened slightly before it passed through these villages, but certainly still maintained violent intensity. The Guerei family in Cigognola took shelter as the storm beared down on them, but the tornado was just too strong. Their home was completely leveled, and the entire family of five - husband, wife and three children - were all killed. Multiple homes were also destroyed in Vallescuropasso, with two more fatalities occurring there.

All that remained of the Guerei family home:
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Another shot from Cigognola:
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By the time the storm's relatively short path concluded, multiple people were dead and 59+ injured.

There are some discrepancies with this tornado. The ESWD actually lists Robecco Pavese and Vallescuropasso/Cigognola as having been hit by two separate tornadoes, but the Tornado Archive and most Italian sources list one tornado. Also, reports of the death toll vary wildly and range from as low as five to as high as eleven. The ESWD has a death toll of six, but my analysis lists seven fatalities.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1764_Woldegk_tornado

On the 29th of June 1764, a fascinating yet terrifying spectacle occurred near the town of Woldegk, Present-day Germany. A violent tornado touched down, causing a path of destruction of 32 kilometers, or 20 miles in length, and a width of more than 4 furlongs (880 yards), or 800 meters across on average. Even at a ferocity of only F2, the moment the tornado touched down, it began to flex with incredible strength, the likes have never seen before. First, the twister threw two children into a lake, who both survived with little injury. With such immense power, The now F3 whirlwind traversed the lake like a massive finger from God, causing the lake to almost surrender into the holy vortex. Suddenly, it gave birth to a second of its kind, which rushed its parent with such ludicrous force that the spectacle exploded like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. But little did anyone know that the heavenly storm was hardly finished, as it killed a local with the collapse of a home. Continuing its journey, the now monstrous beast dragged a furlong-wide path through a forest of beech timber. denuding dozens of strong healthy trees and snatching the soil beneath them. However, those to the northeast were about to face its full wrath of potential. After the whirlwind caressed to the northeast, completely destroying Lichtenberg Forest. Then, the seething tornado achieved the extreme. The unthinkable. The nightmarish. In fact, the worst damage from a storm in European history was about to unfold before the eyes of those who witnessed it. A large dairy farm, with an exceptionally, well-built stone mansion, was hit head-on by the beast. The tornado was so powerful at this point, that the mansion itself was RAZED TO THE GROUND, with the very cobblestones of its walls, thrown furlongs away. Trees in this area were stripped nude of their bark, turned into pulp, or in some cases, turned into DUST. An eyewitness who spotted the spectacle stated that there were apparent "birds" trapped in the vortex. By a stroke of Lady Luck, no one was subjected to the horror unleashed upon the poor farm. But as for the mansion itself, The magnificent monument of wealth had disappeared without a trace, as if the grand home itself was erected on nothing but a dream. Thankfully, the towns impacted were spared the worst, and the amazing, yet traumatic spiral of magnificence, rose back to the heavens, leaving the people stunned below of what just happened. It was a miracle that only one person died, but little did the people of Woldegk know, that this was only the beginning. The 1764 Woldegk tornado was the first its kind to brush the world, but would not be the last, as many more of this strength, most of which would be seen reigning terror across the New World (USA)...

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...for the next 250 years.
 
Another angle of the funeral hall damage in Montello. It looks noticeably less intense from this angle, and while I do think this tornado was a solid F4 I have yet to see any evidence of actual F5 damage from it.
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Regarding Palluel, I believe this is the factory building mentioned in the ESWD description. Yeah, definitely very thick masonry walls, but the amount of uncertainty in the entry doesn't exactly scream F5 to me:
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Plus, if that damage from Palluel was rated IF5, then why wasn't similar damage from the 1931 Lublin tornado, 1927 Neede tornado and others rated as such? Goes to show that problems with tornado rating consistency aren't limited to the US.
palluel surprised me, i had no clue it destroyed factory buildings and homes, but the rating seems legit especially with the car throwing contextuals

For Montello its interesting, I questioned the rating on Twitter and Tomas Pucik said the team debated and tossed out many opinions but they ended up agreeing on IF5. I questioned the rating because of the contextuals at the surface (untouched bushes, something like IF0 damage), however, its possible that the tornado had an asymmetrical windfield in this extreme case where the vertical damage gradient within like a dozen feet goes from IF0 to IF5
I've also seen photos of other intense-violent structure and contextual damage so its not like this IF5 church is the only evidence of violent intensity
 
Introducing the only two tornado events I was able to dig up from Iran.

Finding information on Iranian tornadoes is like trying to find hen's teeth, likely for multiple reasons:
  • The fact that tornadoes are either relatively uncommon in Iran, that most of them occur in sparsely populated areas of the country (and go undocumented as a result), or a combination of the two;
  • Arabic to English (and vice versa) machine translation being notoriously terrible;
  • Due to decades-long hostilities between the US and Iranian governments, the possibility that the Iranian government wants to sweep tornadoes that happen in their territory under the rug as a 'purely American phenomenon' can't be ruled out either.
Anyhow, here goes.

On March 30, 2015, a significant tornado struck the city of Esfarvarin, Iran. Trees were uprooted and snapped, power lines were downed and brick walls collapsed, with some crushing vehicles. 86 people were injured according to one source, but there doesn't seem to have been any fatalities thankfully. Rough analysis of damage imagery indicates the tornado may have attained F2 intensity.
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Earlier this year, a small tornado touched down just outside of Tabriz. It seems to have been a brief touchdown in an area with no structures, as I couldn't find any information on damage.
 
palluel surprised me, i had no clue it destroyed factory buildings and homes, but the rating seems legit especially with the car throwing contextuals

For Montello its interesting, I questioned the rating on Twitter and Tomas Pucik said the team debated and tossed out many opinions but they ended up agreeing on IF5. I questioned the rating because of the contextuals at the surface (untouched bushes, something like IF0 damage), however, its possible that the tornado had an asymmetrical windfield in this extreme case where the vertical damage gradient within like a dozen feet goes from IF0 to IF5
I've also seen photos of other intense-violent structure and contextual damage so its not like this IF5 church is the only evidence of violent intensity
Montello and Palluel both produced relatively impressive contextual damage in some areas, and I think you could credibly argue for high-end IF4 in both cases but their upper-bound intensities seem to have been low-end IF5 at best. There are several European tornadoes that (IMO) produced damage that is just as, if not more impressive than Montello and Palluel that are officially rated IF4.

Was this photo from Robecco Pavese or the Vallescuropasso?
It's from Robecco Pavese.
 
Montello and Palluel both produced relatively impressive contextual damage in some areas, and I think you could credibly argue for high-end IF4 in both cases but their upper-bound intensities seem to have been low-end IF5 at best. There are several European tornadoes that (IMO) produced damage that is just as, if not more impressive than Montello and Palluel that are officially rated IF4.


It's from Robecco Pavese.
do you have like a site or document or some sort of thing where I can see all of your analysis of tornadoes and documentation of photos and stuff? iirc this is part of a big project of yours right? just wanna see info about international sigtors I haven't dug into much
 
The fact they speak Persian probably wouldn't help if you're trying to translate the text from Arabic :p
Hard to tell the difference between Arabic and Persian at a glance lol. But yeah, machine translation with Persian is equally as terrible as it is with Arabic. "Esfarvarin" translates from Persian to English as "Spherorin"...

Doing a quick translation (to Persian!) of "Tornado in Iran" brought up exactly one more event that happened in Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad Province in 2020, but nothing more so far.
 
Hard to tell the difference between Arabic and Persian at a glance lol. But yeah, machine translation with Persian is equally as terrible as it is with Arabic. "Esfarvarin" translates from Persian to English as "Spherorin"...

Doing a quick translation (to Persian!) of "Tornado in Iran" brought up exactly one more event that happened in Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad Province in 2020, but nothing more so far.
I'd lose the "in" and try "cyclone" in case that's the commonly used word. I don't know anyone who speaks the lingo or I'd ask for suggestions.
 
do you have like a site or document or some sort of thing where I can see all of your analysis of tornadoes and documentation of photos and stuff? iirc this is part of a big project of yours right? just wanna see info about international sigtors I haven't dug into much
I have libraries of damage photos, videos, and an unfinished map and text document showcasing every country's strongest tornado. I can PM you the links to the map and text doc. if you want.
 
I'd lose the "in" and try "cyclone" in case that's the commonly used word. I don't know anyone who speaks the lingo or I'd ask for suggestions.
Just tried replacing "tornado" with "cyclone" and all I got were portraits of Iranian leaders and pictures of burning American flags. What do you know, the day before the fourth LMAO

Think I'll stick with "tornado" though.
 
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