Severe Weather Threat 5.22-5.24.24

[A Guy]

There's no clear TDS on this.
...is this another case of April 15th 2022?

What happened on that date? I don't remember.

 

[atrainguy]

This can’t possibly be a mistake? News saying spotter confirmed.

Wasn't there a spotter confirmed TORE that ended up being a nothing-burger? If so, I wonder if that could be the same here.

 

[Maxis_s]

What happened on that date? I don't remember.

IIRC it was the day that a TOR E was issued without a tornado on the ground due to a false spotter report.

 

[Maxis_s]

Radar-indicated PDS warning now issued. They probably just jumped the gun.

 

[TornadoFan]

That was...weird.

 

[TornadoFan17]

What happened on that date? I don't remember.

TORE was issued for a TOR near Jonesboro, Arkansas. A "spotter in the area" (later confirmed to have not even been in the same state) called it in.

As far as I know, the thing never actually touched the ground and produced damage.

 

[Equus]

4-15-22 had a bad actor falsely claiming a large tornado in a slightly elevated supercell and led to a TOR-E on what was a broad meso elevated hailer in AR

At least this one is surface based with what's probably a very strong low level meso

 

[cg9450]

Nah I think someone was cappin

 

[tornado examiner]

Yeah okay...thats just…dumb

 

[CheeselandSkies]

*Sigh.* I fear the Tornado Emergency has become another "enhanced wording" product that was great in theory but has become meaningless due to misuse by different offices. Some by using it in cases where it clearly wasn't warranted, and others where it was issued too late to make any difference (Mayfield, and a couple others with that same tornado).

 

[Maxis_s]

This reminds me of when NWS Norman justified their reasoning for not issuing a TOR-E for Barnesville right away, and then the next day Michigan just has a random TOR-E.
We didn't have one for Greenfield at all, but we have a random one for this random tornado in Texas, on a 2% day.

 

[TornadoFan17]

*Sigh.* I fear the Tornado Emergency has become another "enhanced wording" product that was great in theory but has become meaningless due to misuse by different offices. Some by using it in cases where it clearly wasn't warranted, and others where it was issued too late to make any difference (Mayfield, and a couple others with that same tornado).

Greenfield didn't get a TORE either, which I think is inexcusable. It had a debris ball the size of the town before it even entered the town.

 

[cg9450]

This reminds me of when NWS Norman justified their reasoning for not issuing a TOR-E for Barnesville right away, and then the next day Michigan just has a random TOR-E.
We didn't have one for Greenfield at all, but we have a random one for this random tornado in Texas, on a 2% day.

Yeah, really not a good tool when it’s consistently used or not at all when there’s massive tornadoes on the ground.

 

[Maxis_s]

*Sigh.* I fear the Tornado Emergency has become another "enhanced wording" product that was great in theory but has become meaningless due to misuse by different offices. Some by using it in cases where it clearly wasn't warranted, and others where it was issued too late to make any difference (Mayfield, and a couple others with that same tornado).

Yeah, unfortunately. They should be much more strict but also reasonable enough with it, and in other cases much more lenient with it. They have to strike a balance between both extreme ends of the same coin, and considering how bad the communication and consistency between offices are, that'll never happen.

 

[cg9450]

Greenfield didn't get a TORE either, which I think is inexcusable. It had a debris ball the size of the town before it even entered the town.

Amen, that was a head scratcher.

 

[jiharris0220]

*Sigh.* I fear the Tornado Emergency has become another "enhanced wording" product that was great in theory but has become meaningless due to misuse by different offices. Some by using it in cases where it clearly wasn't warranted, and others where it was issued too late to make any difference (Mayfield, and a couple others with that same tornado).

Yea, the wording has lost its urgency, doesn’t feel any different than a pds.

This is what happens when you don’t follow set warning criteria and just follow where the heart takes ya.

 

[Equus]

Honestly without nationwide standardization for issuance criterion, it's a pretty useless product; clearly violent tornadoes approaching a town not receiving one for whatever reason but other offices doing... this, it's not a great look.

 

[Clancy]

The casual 7:30 PM tornadic supercell in N MS.

 

[TornadoFan17]

Yea, the wording has lost its urgency, doesn’t feel any different than a pds.

This is what happens when you don’t follow set warning criteria and just follow where the heart takes ya.

There is too much ambiguity on when to use it, and that causes the misuse of it.

 

[Maxis_s]

The NWS has so many problems that could just be fixed if there was consistency among offices, and standards that apply to all offices equally rather than offices individually coming up with their own standards.