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Severe WX Severe Weather Threat 3/14-3/16

Some of that is sometimes related to convective feedback in the GFS. However, it's not needed. There are still appreciable pressure falls and backed due southerly surface winds way out over the warm sector on the Euro at face value. Remember, in Dixie Alley, we don't want southeasterly surface winds on the large scale if we're looking for an appreciable threat. That means we aren't advecting from a rich moisture source. Historically, the vast majority of our big tornado events in the heart of the Southeast happen with surface winds that range from SSE to SSW, and due south is historically optimal.

This setup is a good demonstration because of the preceding wave causing drying of the air over FL/GA, if you had southeasterly winds you'd have the same problem as the last system where the warm sector would have a lot of trouble moistening except in a narrow strip just ahead of the front. With less of an easterly component this time you don't have that to the same extent even though the preceding wave is still there.
 
The GFS, with time, is trending toward the Euro.

This setup is a good demonstration because of the preceding wave causing drying of the air over FL/GA, if you had southeasterly winds you'd have the same problem as the last system where the warm sector would have a lot of trouble moistening except in a narrow strip just ahead of the front. With less of an easterly component this time you don't have that to the same extent even though the preceding wave is still there.
I would beg to differ. Straight south surface winds can cause the same issues. It can cause failure modes such as storms just not getting enough shear to produce and causing any tornadoes that do produce to be shorter lived and not to be long track monsters…This would be good news. SSW surface winds produced the two largest outbreaks that we have on record. The straight south winds could still bring some of that dry air in and cause these failure issues. Again if this is incorrect please correct me.
 
I would beg to differ. Straight south surface winds can cause the same issues. It can cause failure modes such as storms just not getting enough shear to produce and causing any tornadoes that do produce to be shorter lived and not to be long track monsters…This would be good news. SSW surface winds produced the two largest outbreaks that we have on record. The straight south winds could still bring some of that dry air in and cause these failure issues. Again if this is incorrect please correct me.
With respect, let this post officially count you as standing corrected. If you think due south surface winds would potentially cause issues with not enough shear (which is incorrect, and hundreds of people have died here over the years to prove it incorrect), then a south-southwest surface wind definitely wouldn't be more favorable in that respect. Dewpoints to the due south of Alabama will be in the upper 60s to lower 70s over the Gulf. The problem with southeasterly surface winds on a synoptic scale here is once you start introducing a bit of an easterly component to that, you're not advecting from the Gulf anymore. You're advecting from Georgia and South Carolina.
 
Well for fun I put this in ChatGPT just to see…. I’ll catch flack for posting this but whatever…This is what it said.
 

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With respect, let this post officially count you as standing corrected. If you think due south surface winds would potentially cause issues with not enough shear (which is incorrect, and hundreds of people have died here over the years to prove it incorrect), then a south-southwest surface wind definitely wouldn't be more favorable in that respect. Dewpoints to the due south of Alabama will be in the upper 60s to lower 70s over the Gulf. The problem with southeasterly surface winds on a synoptic scale here is once you start introducing a bit of an easterly component to that, you're not advecting from the Gulf anymore. You're advecting from Georgia and South Carolina.
Total respect. I wanted to be corrected if I was off base.
 
Total respect. I wanted to be corrected if I was off base.
The reason why more strongly backed low-level winds are so important in the Plains is the same reason they are actually a hindrance here unless it's on the small-scale near the storms... low-level trajectories. Out in Oklahoma and adjacent areas, if you're advecting from the southeast, you're advecting from the western half of the Gulf of Mexico. You get winds veer any more than beyond due south, and you're starting to bring in drier low-level air from the southwest. You're also lessening low-level convergence along the dryline in an environment that climatologically has stronger capping than Dixie Alley because of its proximity to the EML source region versus us and our direct proximity to the boundary layer moisture source versus them. Unless we get the infrequent strong EML plume overtop our warm sector over here, it usually takes less forcing to initiate storms versus what it usually does out in the Plains. That's also why, generally speaking, sharper troughs are often needed out there whereas sharper troughs often produce messy storm modes over here.
 
The reason why more strongly backed low-level winds are so important in the Plains is the same reason they are actually a hindrance here unless it's on the small-scale near the storms... low-level trajectories. Out in Oklahoma and adjacent areas, if you're advecting from the southeast, you're advecting from the western half of the Gulf of Mexico. You get winds veer any more than beyond due south, and you're starting to bring in drier low-level air from the southwest. You're also lessening low-level convergence along the dryline in an environment that climatologically has stronger capping than Dixie Alley because of its proximity to the EML source region versus us and our direct proximity to the boundary layer moisture source versus them. Unless we get the infrequent strong EML plume overtop our warm sector over here, it usually takes less forcing to initiate storms versus what it usually does out in the Plains. That's also why, generally speaking, sharper troughs are often needed out there whereas sharper troughs often produce messy storm modes over here.
Makes total sense. I appreciate the explanation. I just had the thought the southerly component of the winds could draw some of the drier air from the eastern gulf into the storm. Sounds like that is only an issue with a SSE component to the winds.
 
Makes total sense. I appreciate the explanation. I just had the thought the southerly component of the winds could draw some of the drier air from the eastern gulf into the storm. Sounds like that is only an issue with a SSE component to the winds.
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In all honesty, south-southeast is mostly fine too because mid 60+ dewpoints extend over the west coast of Florida. And in most cases, it's due south to your south and then backing to SSE over you, and your trajectories still trace back to the central Gulf. In patterns with better ridging to the east, SSE is more of a slam dunk of being just fine. It's once you start getting a more sharply SE surface wind that the moisture trajectory issues really begin to show up.
 
I would beg to differ. Straight south surface winds can cause the same issues. It can cause failure modes such as storms just not getting enough shear to produce and causing any tornadoes that do produce to be shorter lived and not to be long track monsters…This would be good news. SSW surface winds produced the two largest outbreaks that we have on record. The straight south winds could still bring some of that dry air in and cause these failure issues. Again if this is incorrect please correct me.
Just to add on to what Fred said with a bit more abstract look…

Mathematically, SRH is the product of the storm relative inflow vector and streamwise vorticity integrated over whatever bounds you’re looking at (0-500m, 0-1km, etc…) Graphically, it’s represented by the area swept out by the hodograph and the storm relative inflow vector.

There isn’t anything magic about SE winds, or S winds, etc… What’s important is the veering of the wind with height. Without that veering, you have more crosswise vorticity and less streamwise vorticity.

Obviously the direction of the surface wind DOES matter a lot, as Fred mentioned. But it has to be looked at in context as there are no hard and fast direction rules.
 

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Just to add on to what Fred said with a bit more abstract look…

Mathematically, SRH is the product of the storm relative inflow vector and streamwise vorticity integrated over whatever bounds you’re looking at (0-500m, 0-1km, etc…) Graphically, it’s represented by the area swept out by the hodograph and the storm relative inflow vector.

There isn’t anything magic about SE winds, or S winds, etc… What’s important is the veering of the wind with height. Without that veering, you have more crosswise vorticity and less streamwise vorticity.

Obviously the direction of the surface wind DOES matter a lot, as Fred mentioned. But it has to be looked at in context as there are no hard and fast direction rules.
And to further add to all of this correct information above, vertical turning from due S or subtly SSE at the surface to SSW at 850mb to SW at 700mb has been plenty enough directional shear for a very large percentage of the (E)F4-F5 events in Dixie Alley over the years. The speed shear aspect of the vertical wind profile will carry a lot of the weight for storm-relative helicity and streamwise vorticity as long as there is some degree of clockwise turning with height.
 
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ML guidance becoming indicating quite an elevated risk for severe weather now.
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A pretty expansive area at risk for Saturday as well, pending low-level air mass cooperation. At minimum, I expect the 30% area in the southern part of its overall risk to grow in size in future run cycles.
 
Georgia gets spared about 95% of the time by either the wedge or simple chronology, i.e. storms arriving at 4 A.M. Hoping this'll be the case once more.
You noticed that too? Things either fizzle out or congeal into a QLCS by the time they get here.
I also like to think that having Florida directly to our south and not say, AN ENTIRE BODY OF WARM WATER, has something do to with GA being spared.

Something tells me that that will change sometime in the future. Do not be surprised when Georgia has its first EF5 tornado.
 
I don’t know if a potential high-end system happening on the weekend affects how seriously the general public takes a forecast like that. At least for weather enthusiasts, a Saturday system would mean many of us are off work and can spend all day tracking or chasing a storm system like this.
 
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