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Enhanced Fujita Ratings Debate Thread

Just a heads up, I’d be careful posting images that came from TornadoTalk. I’ve seen a few photos that have been posted here that originated from them, particularly some from premium paywalled summaries, and I wouldn’t want to see them take action against some of the users on here for redistributing their work without permission.
I’ve said this in different locations before but government images are in the public domain regardless of who gave it to them or if they’re public - if they ever got into a case about that it’d be thrown out by any competent judge. Them saying not to use images given to them by government officials, current or former, is completely wrong and monetizing off it can actually be illegal. I can go more in-depth, but I’m eating lunch right now.
 
Just a heads up, I’d be careful posting images that came from TornadoTalk. I’ve seen a few photos that have been posted here that originated from them, particularly some from premium paywalled summaries, and I wouldn’t want to see them take action against some of the users on here for redistributing their work without permission.
It came from there? I pulled it off of an old reddit post.
 
Just a heads up, I’d be careful posting images that came from TornadoTalk. I’ve seen a few photos that have been posted here that originated from them, particularly some from premium paywalled summaries, and I wouldn’t want to see them take action against some of the users on here for redistributing their work without permission.
But they don't own the images they're paywalling. Photos from NWS surveyors especially, which are in the public domain due to being a part of a government employee's official duties. Unless a private citizen or organization gave TornadoTalk EXCLUSIVE permission to use a photo in an article, they cannot legally take action against someone for posting photos they don't even own.

edit: @Central Ohio Wx beat me to it, but I'll add that even if a person or organization gave TT exclusive rights to use a photo in one of their articles, then taking it down falls more on the shoulders of the actual owner of the photo, not TornadoTalk.
 
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I’ve said this in different locations before but government images are in the public domain regardless of who gave it to them or if they’re public - if they ever got into a case about that it’d be thrown out by any competent judge. Them saying not to use images given to them by government officials, current or former, is completely wrong and monetizing off it can actually be illegal. I can go more in-depth, but I’m eating lunch right now.
If that is the case, I’m surprised they haven’t gotten into a legal case yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, but public domain images and ones that they got explicit permission to be used in an article I would imagine are two different things, and either way having them take action against you whether it’s right or wrong is a whole messy process that I’m sure no user is gonna want to go through lol. A few pages back while discussing the Ringgold tornado a user pasted some of their writings found in their paywalled article, which is a whole other thing. Moral of the story, I’d avoid posting any material behind their paywalled articles onto the thread. Better to be safe IMO.
 
If that is the case, I’m surprised they haven’t gotten into a legal case yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, but public domain images and ones that they got explicit permission to be used in an article I would imagine are two different things, and either way having them take action against you whether it’s right or wrong is a whole messy process that I’m sure no user is gonna want to go through lol. A few pages back while discussing the Ringgold tornado a user pasted some of their writings found in their paywalled article, which is a whole other thing. Moral of the story, I’d avoid posting any material behind their paywalled articles onto the thread. Better to be safe IMO.
No, images taken while someone is doing their duties (ie surveying) are public domain whether they were published or not. Soliciting payments for those images are iirc illegal under some code I forgot the exact name of.
 
No, images taken while someone is doing their duties (ie surveying) are public domain whether they were published or not. Soliciting payments for those images are iirc illegal under some code I forgot the exact name of.
Interesting. Yeah, I just noticed virtually all of their paywalled articles have giant disclaimers about redistributing material that’d result in actions being taken to deal with the matter, and they have an entire separate page about that as well. I figured I wouldn’t want someone affiliated with them to find out users on the forum were posting material and whatnot that came from their paywalled summaries, and have them “take action” against an unsuspecting user. But good to know, thanks for the insight.
 
If that is the case, I’m surprised they haven’t gotten into a legal case yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, but public domain images and ones that they got explicit permission to be used in an article I would imagine are two different things, and either way having them take action against you whether it’s right or wrong is a whole messy process that I’m sure no user is gonna want to go through lol. A few pages back while discussing the Ringgold tornado a user pasted some of their writings found in their paywalled article, which is a whole other thing. Moral of the story, I’d avoid posting any material behind their paywalled articles onto the thread. Better to be safe IMO.

They have both public domain and private photos. I do my best to only share the public ones. They usually clarify when something was provided exclusively.

I also do my best to summarize the articles in my own words and when I use exact wording from them (which is rare) I attribute it in quotations.

The precautions are more for ethical than legal reasons. I think it's bogus they hide such vital scientific research behind a paywall, but I still try to respect it.
 
Wait a minute… I think TornadoTalk has been wrongfully claiming copyright on government images. Those Darden Cullman images are in the public domain as he is a surveyor acting in his duties, so regardless of whether they were “exclusively” provided they are still usable by anyone, and all of the aerials are also free-to-use as they are an NOAA product.

I’d suggest bringing that up to staff there as that’s technically illegal under 17 US code § 506(e) if I’m not mistaken.
Here you go. The reason I myself haven’t contacted them is because I’m not trying to get into it with them as a high schooler; I have more important things to do than to argue online.
 
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re: Ringgold. IMO it did EF5 damage in both GA (Cherokee Valley Road) and TN (Apison) - here are a couple photos from the Tennessee side. Home was on a CMU foundation, sure, but considering Rainsville I don't see any reason why it shouldn't have been rated EF5 back then.
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Here's another photo - not sure of the location, but I think it's from the GA side:
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The ground scouring around this residence was just unreal. I seriously am still in awe at how utterly violent this tornado was. In my personal opinion, quite possibly the most violent tornado of 2011.
No "quite possibly" about it. In fact, if you told me to raise a finger for every tornado I think was stronger than Piedmont, I wouldn't be able to raise any.

IMO, the oil rig is where it peaked. That location is the only location in tornado history that I would apply an EF6 rating to.
 
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