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2025 Global Tropical Cyclone Season Discussion

Thought this thread was for non Atlantic cyclones jfl
It can be for ATL cyclones that aren’t expected to impact land.

As a general rule from what I understand from the admin on here:

A separate thread can be started for storms in the Atlantic that are expected to impact or make landfall in the U.S.
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Mistakes are made and sometimes a recurving storm gets a thread because they are mistaken for a soon-to-be landfalling storm. That’s how the Joyce, Kirk and Leslie threads happened.
 
It can be for ATL cyclones that aren’t expected to impact land.

As a general rule from what I understand from the admin on here:

A separate thread can be started for storms in the Atlantic that are expected to impact or make landfall in the U.S.
Understood bhai
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Mistakes are made and sometimes a recurving storm gets a thread because they are mistaken for a soon-to-be landfalling storm. That’s how the Joyce, Kirk and Leslie threads happened.
Kirks me
 
Sepat’s new forecast (Forecast #03 by the JTWC)
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WTPN31 PGTW 230300
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL STORM 02W (SEPAT) WARNING NR 003//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL STORM 02W (SEPAT) WARNING NR 003
UPGRADED FROM TROPICAL DEPRESSION 02W
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
230000Z --- NEAR 24.6N 144.7E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 325 DEGREES AT 10 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
095 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
000 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
000 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 24.6N 144.7E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
231200Z --- 26.6N 143.2E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
015 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 330 DEG/ 12 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
240000Z --- 28.6N 141.9E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
015 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 335 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
241200Z --- 30.4N 141.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 080 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
000 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 345 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
250000Z --- 32.3N 140.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
000 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 015 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
260000Z --- 35.4N 141.2E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATING AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER WATER
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
000 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
015 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 045 DEG/ 19 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
270000Z --- 40.3N 148.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 020 KT, GUSTS 030 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATED AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER WATER
---
REMARKS:
230300Z POSITION NEAR 25.1N 144.3E.
23JUN25. TROPICAL STORM 02W (SEPAT), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 186 NM
EAST OF IWO TO, HAS TRACKED NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 KNOTS OVER THE
PAST SIX HOURS.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE AT 230000Z IS 1006 MB. MAXIMUM
SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 230000Z IS 14 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT
230900Z, 231500Z, 232100Z AND 240300Z.
//
 
A post from Alan Snyder;
 
If Invest 90L forms, we will be returning to the subslopical shanaigans that we were getting pre-2023.

This year definitely seems like a subtropics kind of year after last year had just a mere two storms form in the subtropics (Isaac and Patty). Wind shear prevented more storms from forming in the subtropics in 2024.

2023 was recurve central due to record warm waters clashing with a El Niño that weakened the Bermuda-Azores High.

2024 was deep tropics action due to a cool neutral combined with the continuation of 2023’s record warm waters. Minus the jacked-up monsoon trough over northern Africa during late-August and into early-September along with drier air aloft plus wind shear, which prevented us from going 20+ NS. We still surprisingly managed to get to within 2 NS of 20 NS with a final total of 18 NS in the end.
 
If Invest 90L forms, we will be returning to the subslopical shanaigans that we were getting pre-2023.

This year definitely seems like a subtropics kind of year after last year had just a mere two storms form in the subtropics (Isaac and Patty). Wind shear prevented more storms from forming in the subtropics in 2024.
Ok PAT PAT
2023 was recurve central due to record warm waters clashing with a El Niño that weakened the Bermuda-Azores High.

2024 was deep tropics action due to a cool neutral combined with the continuation of 2023’s record warm waters. Minus the jacked-up monsoon trough over northern Africa during late-August and into early-September along with drier air aloft plus wind shear, which prevented us from going 20+ NS. We still surprisingly managed to get to within 2 NS of 20 NS with a final total of 18 NS in the end.
LMAOOOOOO

AL, 90, 202506230000, 3180N, 5640W, TAFB, SS, I, 5, 1515
 
Sepat’s forecast from the JTWC looks like the JTWC pointing a finger and saying “go that way Sepat”
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I have done some analysis of the NHC’s Unified Surface Analysis for the recent Hurricane Erick and here’s what I found;

Exhibit 1:
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The Tropical Wave circled in red is the very wave that would form into Hurricane Erick. The pre-Erick wave moved off the coast of Africa on June 2nd.

Here is where it was right at the beginning of where its operational BT began with exhibit #2;
IMG_0441.jpeg
Shortly after this was issued a new invest was opened for what became Erick with a precursor track traced back to just offshore of the Pacific coast of Costa Rica;
IMG_0491.jpeg
 
I have done some analysis of the NHC’s Unified Surface Analysis for the recent Hurricane Erick and here’s what I found;

Exhibit 1:
View attachment 44446
The Tropical Wave circled in red is the very wave that would form into Hurricane Erick. The pre-Erick wave moved off the coast of Africa on June 2nd.

Here is where it was right at the beginning of where its operational BT began with exhibit #2;
View attachment 44447
Shortly after this was issued a new invest was opened for what became Erick with a precursor track traced back to just offshore of the Pacific coast of Costa Rica;
View attachment 44448
NHC will initiate advisories on a recessed, mouth breathing Tropical Storm Andrea, located over the central subtropical Atlantic, at 1100 AM AST (1500 UTC).
 
GFS playing funny games with the front that could spawn a TC in about 2 weeks (EURO ensembles have been showing long range growth in chances of development offshore of the U.S. East Coast) on the 06Z run;
 
GFS playing funny games with the front that could spawn a TC in about 2 weeks (EURO ensembles have been showing long range growth in chances of development offshore of the U.S. East Coast) on the 06Z run;
It is saying that the file is too large for the server to process; but I will not be denied.
 
Invest 96W is now a high chance by the JTWC in the South China Sea.
IMG_0810.gif
WTPN21 PGTW 250200
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT (INVEST 96W)//
RMKS/
1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN
120 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 17.6N 114.4E TO 21.4N 110.7E
WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY
ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME.
WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 18 TO 23 KNOTS. METSAT
IMAGERY AT 250000Z INDICATES THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED
NEAR 17.7N 114.2E. THE SYSTEM IS MOVING NORTHWESTWARD AT 13
KNOTS.
2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION (INVEST 96W) PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR
15.8N 116.7E IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 17.7N 114.2E, APPROXIMATELY 303 NM
EAST-SOUTHEAST OF HAIKOU.ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI)
DEPICTS A CONSOLIDATING LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) WITH DEEP
CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY PERSISTING NEAR THE LLCC. THE LACK OF RECENT
MICROWAVE IMAGERY OR SCATTEROMETER DATA PRECLUDE A HIGH CONFIDENCE
ASSESSMENT OF THE PRECISE POSITION OF THE LLCC, OTHER THAN TO SAY IT IS
TUCKED UNDER THE CONVECTIVE CLOUD SHIELD. ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS
INDICATES THAT INVEST 96W IS IN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT DUE TO WARM (29-30C) SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES, GOOD
EQUATORWARD OUTFLOW ALOFT, AND LOW (LESS THAN 15 KNOTS) VERTICAL WIND
SHEAR. DETERMINISTIC MODELS ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONTINUED, BUT
SLOW, DEVELOPMENT OF 96W OVER THE NEXT 24-36 HOURS. BOTH THE GEFS AND
ECMWF ENSEMBLES MODELS ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OVERALL NORTHWESTERLY
TRACK TOWARDS THE COAST OF SOUTHEASTERN CHINA. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE
WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 18 TO 23 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS
ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1005 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS HIGH.
3. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY
260200Z.//
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Edit: almost as soon as I posted this post @Kds86z liked it!
 
The Eastern Pacific disturbance is now Invest 95E. It currently is showing signs of organization per the NHC and is 30/80 for chances. It also has one of the weirdest shaped possible area of formation cone that I’ve ever seen:
IMG_0811.jpeg
 
Sepat had fallen to TD status as it recurves OTS. The JTWC expects it to make a close pass to the central eastern coast of Japan as it moves out and eventually dissapates.
IMG_0812.gif
WTPN31 PGTW 250300
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL DEPRESSION 02W (SEPAT) WARNING NR 011//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL DEPRESSION 02W (SEPAT) WARNING NR 011
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
250000Z --- NEAR 32.0N 139.5E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 340 DEGREES AT 07 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 030 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 030 KT, GUSTS 040 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
REPEAT POSIT: 32.0N 139.5E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
251200Z --- 33.4N 139.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 025 KT, GUSTS 035 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 025 DEG/ 13 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
260000Z --- 35.7N 141.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 025 KT, GUSTS 035 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 040 DEG/ 19 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
261200Z --- 38.5N 144.2E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 025 KT, GUSTS 035 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
EXTRATROPICAL
---
REMARKS:
250300Z POSITION NEAR 32.4N 139.5E.
25JUN25. TROPICAL DEPRESSION 02W (SEPAT), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY
198 NM SOUTH OF YOKOSUKA, JAPAN, HAS TRACKED NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD
AT 07 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE AT 250000Z IS 1005 MB. MAXIMUM
SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 250000Z IS 12 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT
250900Z, 251500Z, 252100Z AND 260300Z.//
NNNN

WDPN31 PGTW 242100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION 02W (SEPAT) WARNING
NR 010//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.

SUMMARY:
INITIAL POSITION: 31.3N 139.8E
INITIAL INTENSITY: 30 KTS
GEOGRAPHIC REFERENCE: 240 NM SOUTH OF YOKOSUKA, JAPAN
MOVEMENT PAST 6 HOURS: NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD AT 06 KTS
SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT: 13 FEET

SATELLITE ANALYSIS, INITIAL POSITION AND INTENSITY DISCUSSION:
ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED (EIR) SATELLITE IMAGERY REVEALS A
WELL-DEFINED, YET SHALLOW AND WEAK LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
(LLCC), AND NOW FULLY EXPOSED. A RECENTLY DEVELOPED BURST OF
CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IS OBSERVED TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE LLCC BUT IS
BEING PUSHED OFF THE LLCC DUE TO THE MODERATE NORTHERLY SHEAR. A
241634Z AMSR2 36GHZ MICROWAVE IMAGE INDICATES THAT THE LOWER-LEVEL
CLOUD BANDS REMAIN WELL-DEFINED, PARTICULARLY ON THE EASTERN SIDE
OF THE CIRCULATION. CONVERSELY, THE WESTERN SIDE APPEARS
SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER AND SHALLOWER IN BOTH EIR AND MICROWAVE IMAGERY.
THE 91GHZ BAND SHOWS NO SIGNIFICANT CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED
WITH THE LLCC. THE INITIAL POSITION IS ASSESSED WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE,
PRIMARILY BASED ON THE EXPOSED LLCC IN THE EIR. THE INITIAL INTENSITY
IS ALSO ASSESSED WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE, SUPPORTED BY OBJECTIVE AND
SUBJECTIVE ESTIMATES, AS WELL AS AN EARLIER ASCAT PASS WHICH REVEALED
MAXIMUM SURFACE WINDS OF 29 KNOTS IN THE NORTHEASTERN QUADRANT.
ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS THE SYSTEM IS EMBEDDED WITHIN AN
UPPER-LEVEL COL FEATURE, INDICATING A LIMITED OR ABSENT UPPER-LEVEL
OUTFLOW MECHANISM. ADDITIONALLY, A WEDGE OF DRY AIR OVERLAYS THE
SYSTEM, AS INDICATED IN BOTH THE HIGH-RESOLUTION MODEL DATA AND THE
CHICHIJIMA 1200Z SOUNDING. THESE FACTORS, COMBINED WITH MODERATE
NORTHERLY SHEAR, SUGGEST THE SYSTEM HAS ENTERED AN UNFAVORABLE AND
GENERALLY HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT.

INITIAL WIND RADII BASIS: NOT APPLICABLE (THERE ARE NO INITIAL WIND
RADII).

CURRENT STEERING MECHANISM: WESTERN PERIPHERY OF A DEEP LAYER
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) CENTERED TO THE EAST.

AGENCY DVORAK AND AUTOMATED FIXES:
PGTW: T2.0 - 30 KTS
RJTD: T2.0 - 30 KTS
RCTP: T2.0 - 30 KTS
KNES: T2.0 - 30 KTS
CIMSS ADT: 32 KTS AT 241730Z
CIMSS AIDT: 36 KTS AT 241730Z
CIMSS D-MINT: 27 KTS AT 241636Z
CIMSS D-PRINT: 25 KTS AT 241750Z

FORECASTER ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT ENVIRONMENT: UNFAVORABLE
VWS: 20-25 KTS
SST: 24-25 CELSIUS
OUTFLOW: WEAK WESTWARD
OTHER FACTORS: DRY MID-LEVEL AIR.

ANALYSIS CONFIDENCE:
INITIAL POSITION: HIGH
INITIAL INTENSITY: HIGH
INITIAL WIND RADII: NOT APPLICABLE

3. FORECAST REASONING.

SIGNIFICANT FORECAST CHANGES: THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO
THE FORECAST FROM THE PREVIOUS WARNING.

FORECAST DISCUSSION: TROPICAL DEPRESSION (TD) 02W (SEPAT) HAS
SLOWED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS AND EXHIBITED A SLIGHT
WOBBLE AS IT APPROACHES THE STR AXIS. OVER THE NEXT 12 TO 18 HOURS,
TD 02W WILL SLOWLY CROSS THE RIDGE AXIS, SUBSEQUENTLY TURNING AND
ACCELERATING NORTHEASTWARD. THE LATEST FORECAST INDICATES A SLIGHT
OFFSHORE SHIFT IN THE TRACK, WITH THE CENTER OF TD 02W IS NOW
EXPECTED TO REMAIN OFFSHORE THE BOSO PENINSULA. THE CLOSEST POINT OF
APPROACH IS PROJECTED TO OCCUR AROUND TAU 36. AFTER TAU 36, THE
SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST, OPENING THE
DISTANCE TO EASTERN HONSHU THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE FORECAST. TD
02W HAS WEAKENED TO TD STRENGTH OVER THE LAST 6 TO 12 HOURS AS IT HAS
MOVED INTO A LESS FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT. HOWEVER, ALL AVAILABLE
GUIDANCE SUGGESTS A VERY SLOW RATE OF ADDITIONAL WEAKENING,
INDICATING A GRADUAL DISSIPATION. THE SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO REMAIN A
MINIMAL TD AS IT PASSES THE BOSO PENINSULA, SIMULTANEOUSLY BEGINNING
EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION (ETT). SHORTLY AFTER TAU 36, THE SYSTEM
BEGINS TO INTERACT WITH THE DIVERGENT REGION AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING
NEGATIVELY TILTED MAJOR SHORTWAVE TROF MOVING IN FROM THE WEST. BY
THE END OF THE FORECAST, THE SYSTEM WILL START TO REINTENSIFY AS IT
COMPLETES ETT.

MODEL DISCUSSION: DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE TRACK GUIDANCE IS IN
TIGHT CROSS- AND ALONG-TRACK AGREEMENT FOR THE FIRST 24 HOURS OF
THE FORECAST. HOWEVER, ONCE THE SYSTEM CROSSES THE RIDGE AXIS AND
BEGINS TO ITS NORTHEASTWARD ACCELERATION, TRACK GUIDANCE BEGINS TO
DISPERSE, INTRODUCING SIGNIFICANT CROSS- AND ALONG-TRACK SPREAD
ACROSS THE MODEL PACKAGE. THE JTWC FORECAST REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH
PREVIOUS FORECASTS AND MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS MEAN. INTENSITY
GUIDANCE IS MIXED, WITH ROUGHLY HALF OF THE GUIDANCE SUPPORTED A
STEADY 30-35 KNOT INTENSITY THROUGH THE WHOLE DURATION OF THE
FORECAST, AND HALF ARGUING FOR A SLOW WEAKENING THROUGH THE
FORECAST PERIOD. THE JTWC FORECAST
 
And of course I have to mention Tropical Storm Andrea. It is likely already dead, but I have a feeling that the formation time will be pushed back another 18-30 hours as it looked like a TS briefly yesterday morning.
 
The 12Z EURO ensembles were very bullish on an upcoming area of interest in the Western Pacific earlier today;
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The 12Z EURO ensembles were very bullish on an upcoming area of interest in the Western Pacific earlier today;
View attachment 44508
The GFS forms a strong storm too, but takes it in a completely different direction: mostly North.
 
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