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gangstonc said:
There also has been no proof given that he is actually under audit.
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There also has been no proof given that he isn't actually under an audit. Come on lets play these games all day if you want but it will be a waste of everyone's time.
 
JayF said:
There also has been no proof given that he isn't actually under an audit. Come on lets play these games all day if you want but it will be a waste of everyone's time.
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I think the burden of proof is on the person telling the story. If he wants to claim he is under audit, he needs to back it up. Trump has proven that we can’t take him at his word. He needs to stop playing games, like you said, and stop just running his mouth.
 
gangstonc said:
I think the burden of proof is on the person telling the story. If he wants to claim he is under audit, he needs to back it up. Trump has proven that we can’t take him at his word. He needs to stop playing games, like you said, and stop just running his mouth.
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I just wish one day, this country will get back to talking about what is best for this country and a path forward instead of the right attacking the left and vice versa. It gets annoying.
 
JayF said:
I just wish one day, this country will get back to talking about what is best for this country and a path forward instead of the right attacking the left and vice versa. It gets annoying.
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It’s imperative to attack when somebody does what Trump is doing. He consistently lies and tricks. Not good for the office or country. We have to let future presidents know this won’t be tolerated.
These are far from baseless attacks.

the best path forward is to make sure a trump repeat doesn’t happen again.
 
gangstonc said:
It’s imperative to attack when somebody does what Trump is doing. He consistently lies and tricks. Not good for the office or country. We have to let future presidents know this won’t be tolerated.
These are far from baseless attacks.

the best path forward is to make sure a trump repeat doesn’t happen again.
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You are only making the issue worse. I will not go into a this for that battle with you. There is plenty of issues to go around for both sides. The country suffers for them all.
 
Professor Turley makes some really valid points here. I believe he speaks impartially on the matter and doesn't defend Trump but also provided a way for Chairman Nadler to win with the courts to receive some documents. But he speaks a warning to Congress about impeaching the president they way they are going about it.

 
JayF said:
You are only making the issue worse. I will not go into a this for that battle with you. There is plenty of issues to go around for both sides. The country suffers for them all.
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Isn't that exactly what you attempted to do with the Obama documents until you were proven wrong?
 
maroonedinhsv said:
Isn't that exactly what you attempted to do with the Obama documents until you were proven wrong?
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Nope my attempt is to point out the hypocrisy of the left. Do as I say not as I do mentality that honestly both sides have.
 
The IRS stated the audit doesn't prevent anyone from releasing their tax returns. Trump has used the audit excuse for 4 years at least. He won't release them. I assume he doesn't want people to see how he devalues his assets for tax purposes and meanwhile publicly overvalues them to claim he's richer than he is. He's still wealthy by all accounts.. but it would appear bad either way. Not to mention he likely pays little in taxes, which he's bragged about before at a ramble rally.
Bottom line is the audit excuse is just that, an excuse. In fact IIRC, every president and VP gets audited every year automatically.
 
JayF said:
Nope my attempt is to point out the hypocrisy of the left. Do as I say not as I do mentality that honestly both sides have.
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The problem is that both sides treat politics like a college football rivalry. Your team is always right and the opposing team is always wrong. While I don't like the idea that the left is always out to get Trump and says "black" every time anyone on the right says "white", my disappointment is far greater in those on the right who constantly defend him (the same folks who attacked and criticized him while he was running for office). My opinion of him today is nearly identical to the opinion that I held when the primaries were taking place - it shouldn't change just because he won the election. Using another sports analogy, it's like when Johnny Damon was traded from the Yankees to the Red Sox... one day, New Yorkers thought he was the scum of the earth - the next, he was the best thing since sliced bagels! While that may be appropriate in the world of sports, it shouldn't be in politics.
 
maroonedinhsv said:
The problem is that both sides treat politics like a college football rivalry. Your team is always right and the opposing team is always wrong. While I don't like the idea that the left is always out to get Trump and says "black" every time anyone on the right says "white", my disappointment is far greater in those on the right who constantly defend him (the same folks who attacked and criticized him while he was running for office). My opinion of him today is nearly identical to the opinion that I held when the primaries were taking place - it shouldn't change just because he won the election. Using another sports analogy, it's like when Johnny Damon was traded from the Yankees to the Red Sox... one day, New Yorkers thought he was the scum of the earth - the next, he was the best thing since sliced bagels! While that may be appropriate in the world of sports, it shouldn't be in politics.
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Speaking of college football rivalries. Barners, come get y’all’s man!

 
I feel sorry for the woman, but this video is to funny. She had no clue. I wonder what people in the store were doing.

 
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JayF said:
Professor Turley makes some really valid points here. I believe he speaks impartially on the matter and doesn't defend Trump but also provided a way for Chairman Nadler to win with the courts to receive some documents. But he speaks a warning to Congress about impeaching the president they way they are going about it.

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I don’t understand why the democrats haven’t pushed harder in the courts. Weak and disorganized.
 
JayF said:
My point is this. All of this trying to frame someone is a waste of time. If there were actually a crime being commited, let the dang FBI investigate it. But that is not what is going on here. It is political grandstanding, a waste of time and a waste of tax payer dollars.
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Of note, it's not just house subpoenas that Trump and his lawyers are dragging through the judiciary to buy as much time as possible. He's also defied Manhattan district attorney criminal prosecutors and grand jury subpoenas. His lawyers have been working their way through the lowest to the highest courts (on purpose) and have lost nearly every time.
They'll continue to appeal until it reaches the supreme court, which a couple just recently have. We'll find out soon if they'll take up the issue. Justice Ginsburg has put a hold on a district court order for trumps financial partners to disclose his records per subpoena request.

I would say given trumps past as a businessman and his less than kosher record.. this situation can't really be compared to others. It's rather unique.
 
JayF said:
Professor Turley makes some really valid points here. I believe he speaks impartially on the matter and doesn't defend Trump but also provided a way for Chairman Nadler to win with the courts to receive some documents. But he speaks a warning to Congress about impeaching the president they way they are going about it.

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Also notice he couldn’t say that he couldn’t say trumps behavior was unimpeachable. He could not defend the president, only say democrats needed to slow down.
 
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