Archive 2017-2019 Political Thread

[KoD]

I cannot speak intelligently on Subpoenas on Financial records. However if you feel that Trump's financial records are important to an investigation, then I guess go for them. But riddle me this batman, why was it OK for Obama to seal his financial records, college transcripts, and even his birth certificate. Apples to Apples if we want to go down that road

Given the circumstances especially with Cohen I think they're important (as does NYC prosecutors and house investigations).
I can't speak for Obama but that sounds like a straw man distraction. Regardless, there is no "seal" on those documents (which implies a court has ruled on their release not being allowed) and Obama's birth certificate and tax returns have been released. You'll have to ask him why he didn't release his transcripts... which again is immensely irrelevant to the ongoing active subpoenas regarding investigations which have legitament merit and convictions.

 

[gangstonc]

I don't thkn Pompeo and Mulvaney are going to be add anything they do not already know. And the WH is using executive Privilege. Only the Supreme Court can rule whether Executive Privilege applies or not. So he isn't obstructing he is using a technique that the Supreme Court can overrule.

I should have been more clear. He is obstructing by not turning over documents.

Further, they could testify, and not discuss conversations with Trump, which would not violate executive privilege. Even Nixon didn't do this.

 

[JayF]

Given the circumstances especially with Cohen I think they're important (as does NYC prosecutors and house investigations).
I can't speak for Obama but that sounds like a straw man distraction. Regardless, there is no "seal" on those documents (which implies a court has ruled on their release not being allowed) and Obama's birth certificate and tax returns have been released. You'll have to ask him why he didn't release his transcripts... which again is immensely irrelevant to the ongoing active subpoenas regarding investigations which have legitament merit and convictions.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We do not know as we have not seen them. My comments were not intended as a straw man but more of as a comparison about not releasing records. Obama made it a distinction not to release documents while he was in office. So if that is the procedure followed by past Presidents then why are we changing that now?

 

[gangstonc]

I cannot speak intelligently on Subpoenas on Financial records. However if you feel that Trump's financial records are important to an investigation, then I guess go for them. But riddle me this batman, why was it OK for Obama to seal his financial records, college transcripts, and even his birth certificate. Apples to Apples if we want to go down that road

Obama's financial records were not sealed. His college transcripts are not sealed. His birth certificate was not sealed. I have no idea where you got this stuff unless it was some meme on facebook.

 

[JayF]

Obama's financial records were not sealed. His college transcripts are not sealed. His birth certificate was not sealed. I have no idea where you got this stuff unless it was some meme on facebook.

Ok Sealed maybe a wrong use of the description. They have not been released and they will never be released.

 

[maroonedinhsv]

Ok Sealed maybe a wrong use of the description. They have not been released and they will never be released.

I'm pretty sure his birth certificate was released a long time ago, and he released all of his tax returns while running for office and while in office.

 

[gangstonc]

Ok Sealed maybe a wrong use of the description. They have not been released and they will never be released.

Obama released 11 years of tax returns.

 

[Kory]

Biden is off the rails.

 

[gangstonc]

Biden is off the rails.

I seriously think he is trying to be a lefty Trump. Very dangerous.

 

[gangstonc]

It really looks like the ‘-1’ number in the Giuliani phone logs is trumps number. If so, it will be really hard for trump to act like he wasn’t involved.

 

[maroonedinhsv]

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We do not know as we have not seen them. My comments were not intended as a straw man but more of as a comparison about not releasing records. Obama made it a distinction not to release documents while he was in office. So if that is the procedure followed by past Presidents then why are we changing that now?

So, Jay, I’ll assume that by now you’ve googled and found out that you were misinformed/misled by whatever source you were using. Given that, let me ask you the same question that you posed earlier: ”So if that is the procedure followed by past Presidents then why are we changing that now?”

 

[Kory]

Cool! Now do the 2nd amendment!

So, if someone can't afford a firearm, will the government purchase one for them? After all, it is a Constitutional right? Well, maybe not recognized by this socialist piece of scum, but it is.

 

[JayF]

So, Jay, I’ll assume that by now you’ve googled and found out that you were misinformed/misled by whatever source you were using. Given that, let me ask you the same question that you posed earlier: ”So if that is the procedure followed by past Presidents then why are we changing that now?”

Well I have been unable to find in my Google searches any information relating the financial statements from Obama before he was president.

 

[JayF]

So, Jay, I’ll assume that by now you’ve googled and found out that you were misinformed/misled by whatever source you were using. Given that, let me ask you the same question that you posed earlier: ”So if that is the procedure followed by past Presidents then why are we changing that now?”

My point is this. All of this trying to frame someone is a waste of time. If there were actually a crime being commited, let the dang FBI investigate it. But that is not what is going on here. It is political grandstanding, a waste of time and a waste of tax payer dollars.

 

[gangstonc]

My point is this. All of this trying to frame someone is a waste of time. If there were actually a crime being commited, let the dang FBI investigate it. But that is not what is going on here. It is political grandstanding, a waste of time and a waste of tax payer dollars.

Wait a minute. Isn't that what Trump should have done? Shouldn't he have alerted the FBI that there was an issue with Biden?

And remember, a president doesn't have to commit a crime to be impeached.


And it's easy to find Obama's tax returns. google search 'Obama tax return 2006.'

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/obamas_2006_tax_return.pdf

 

[JayF]

Wait a minute. Isn't that what Trump should have done? Shouldn't he have alerted the FBI that there was an issue with Biden?

And remember, a president doesn't have to commit a crime to be impeached.


And it's easy to find Obama's tax returns. google search 'Obama tax return 2006.'

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/obamas_2006_tax_return.pdf

Um What. A crime doesn't have to be commited to be impeached?

Impeachment in the United States is the process by which a legislature (usually in the form of the lower house) brings charges against a civil officer of government for crimes alleged to have been committed, analogous to the bringing of an indictment by a grand jury.

I pulled that statement from Wikipedia.

Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Article 2 Section 4 of the United States Constitution:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

So please tell me why you think someone doesn't have to commit a crime to be impeached?

 

[JayF]

Wait a minute. Isn't that what Trump should have done? Shouldn't he have alerted the FBI that there was an issue with Biden?

And remember, a president doesn't have to commit a crime to be impeached.


And it's easy to find Obama's tax returns. google search 'Obama tax return 2006.'

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/obamas_2006_tax_return.pdf

Here you go. So I was mistaken. I am never perfect but I will eventually find what I am looking for. He has said he will release them. Now only time will tell.

Trump is the first Republican presidential candidate since Ford to not release his tax returns during an election or as president. He said he will release them once his IRS audit is completed. We will update this page once (or if) this happens!

Tax Return History of United States Presidents, Form 1040

US Presidents'' Personal Income Tax Returns from Biden to Roosevelt; Most Presidents Released Their Returns as Public Information.

www.efile.com

 

[Kory]

Why can’t someone release tax returns during an audit? Or is that an excuse? Idk much about tax law

 

[JayF]

Why can’t someone release tax returns during an audit? Or is that an excuse? Idk much about tax law

Probably under advisement from his attorneys.

 

[gangstonc]

Why can’t someone release tax returns during an audit? Or is that an excuse? Idk much about tax law

There also has been no proof given that he is actually under audit.