No. What makes you think it would be?So would this be around high-end EF4 damage?
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No. What makes you think it would be?So would this be around high-end EF4 damage?
It looks like the walls were ripped off at the base. It was rated EF4 though wasn't it?No. What makes you think it would be?
What about the Tyler, ND tornado on August 7, 2010? It sure packed some very extreme context and was very tiny when it produced extreme contextual damage.Those were both pretty minimal EF4s. The rating for Moore was based on just one single home that was mostly, but not completely leveled, though it was of above average construction from what I understand, so they went with EF4. I remember seeing aerial video of what I believe was the EF4 house during The Weather Channel's coverage of the outbreak. It wasn't very impressive.
For Norman/Little Axe, I have no idea what the basis is for the rating, and have been trying to figure it out for a while myself. No specific structure or damage point was mentioned as the reason they upgraded from EF3 to EF4, and I haven't found any damage photos that show clear-cut EF4 damage. Would really like to know what made them go with EF4.
It was, but not high-end EF4. I'm not sure what you mean by "walls ripped off at the base", but subflooring removal isn't an automatic EF4 indicator when we're looking at an old unreinforced masonry foundation with an apparent lack of anchor bolts. I'm ok with EF4 given some of the contextual damage, but some offices would call that EF3 structural damage. Looks more of like a "slider" situation to me given the apparent lack of proper anchoring.It looks like the walls were ripped off at the base. It was rated EF4 though wasn't it?
That one was definitely a non-traditional EF4 so to speak, as it was all based on contextual damage from what I understand, namely scouring and extreme damage to vehicles and farm machinery. The most impressive damage was to a barn though, which was obliterated and had its concrete foundation scoured. There used to be a photo of a scoured beet field, with big chunks of concrete from the barn foundation scattered everywhere. I normally wouldn't call barn/outbuilding damage eligible for EF4, but in that case, it makes sense.What about the Tyler, ND tornado on August 7, 2010? It sure packed some very extreme context and was very tiny when it produced extreme contextual damage.
That one was definitely a non-traditional EF4 so to speak, as it was all based on contextual damage from what I understand, namely scouring and extreme damage to vehicles and farm machinery. The most impressive damage was to a barn though, which was obliterated and had its concrete foundation scoured. There used to be a photo of a scoured beet field, with big chunks of concrete from the barn foundation scattered everywhere. I normally wouldn't call barn/outbuilding damage eligible for EF4, but in that case, it makes sense.
Now if I could only find photos of the concrete-strewn beet field. Haven't seen it since it was lost during the WFO overhaul.
Yeah unfortunately the photo I'm thinking of isn't there. Those first two show pieces of masonry from a destroyed silo.Tyler, ND-Doran, MN EF4 Tornado – August 7, 2010 – Tornado Talk
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Damage photos from the Little Axe tornado:
Photo that shows what might be the EF4 damage from Moore:
I remember that one. It was rated like low-end EF4.Haven't seen a single one of those photos from Little Axe, and the rating makes a little more sense now. That second one looks like a fairly solid candidate for maybe low-end EF4. As for Moore, that does look like the general area I remember from the Weather Channel coverage. It was a semi-rural subdivision like that, but the house was largely collapsed and not quite as intact as those in that photo, but it was a while ago so my memory is fuzzy. I remember aerial video showing the family walking around next to the remains of their home and the helicopter pilot commenting on it.
Also while on the topic, another forgotten EF4. Collinsville, AL from April 24, 2010. Same day as Yazoo City. Rating was based on a church with thick stone walls that was leveled. This one was initially rated EF3, and upped to EF4 later, which may be one of the reasons most have forgotten about it, along with being overshadowed by Yazoo City.
These do not enlarge but maybe this might be what your looking for buckeye05. https://web.archive.org/web/20110105100936/http://www.crh.noaa.gov/fgf/?n=20100807_tor_wilkin
Too bad the pictures are kind of grainy looking.I see it! Second row. Left-most image shows the torn up barn foundation, and second from right shows the concrete pieces in the field. Glad you found it. Left-most and right-most photos in the top row also show the torn up concrete on the foundation.
MNTornadoGuy seems to have found the enlarged one.
Probably more widespread and similar to Super 1974, Palm Sunday 1965 and US/Canadian 1985, given the explosive paramaters models were showing a week in advance. We would've likely had more EF4s and 5s had the warm sector from Great Lakes to Mid-TN hadn't been rained on all day...A little off topic but I always tend to wonder what April 27, 2011 would’ve looked like had the two rounds of morning squalls not moved through and how that affected the days storms.
Would you compare Loyal Valley to events such as Parkersburg ‘08 or Moore ‘13 in terms of possible intensity, based on non-structural DIs?It's pretty much certain it was an F5. Didn't produce any clear-cut structural damage, but the context leaves little to question.
I know my name isn't buckeye05, but since I haven't posted for a few days figured I might as well chime in.Would you compare Loyal Valley to events such as Parkersburg ‘08 or Moore ‘13 in terms of possible intensity, based on non-structural DIs?