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Severe WX December 10 & 11, 2021 Severe Threat

Turns out the "slabbed home" near the UK research facility may not have been slabbed after all (assuming it is the same home, I really can't be certain)
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buckeye05 said:
Yup, and now that I zoom in, I see what you’re talking about. I guess cleanup happened fast enough that the foundation was clean by the time the aerial photography was taken. Damn…
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I would say our best bet for a true EF5 candidate house would be in a rural area between the towns.
 
TH2002 said:
I would say our best bet for a true EF5 candidate house would be in a rural area between the towns.
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Yup. I think there’s enough in the Cambridge Shores community for marginal EF5. But if they just can’t find quality construction anywhere along the path, which is a possibility we shouldn’t discount, the only chance of such a rating is going to come down to non-established DIs, something that hasn’t been done since 2011. We’ll see. At the end of the day, if they go with high-end EF4, it’s still not going to be quite as egregious as Vilonia, Chickasha, New Wren, Goldsby, Chapman, or Rochelle imo.
 
A lot of talk about that foundation slab being torn up. People on Twitter are calling it “rebar reinforced” and I’m not sure how true that is. It definitely looks a bit thin, but it’s evidence of extreme low-level winds no doubt.
 
buckeye05 said:
Oh come on just bump it up to EF4 at this point. They’re just stretching the definition of EF3 damage beyond what it is meant to be applied to. Not been happy with NWS Louisville’s approach to surveying during this event. Does anyone remember how long it took for them to rate Henryville an EF4? I don’t remember this bs but it was a while ago.
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Lowest bound home destruction technically being in the highest end EF3 range has been abused endlessly, I really wish LB was nudged 170 for that so we could eliminate that problem. Since we know 99% of things are gonna be pegged at the lowest possible level allowed
 
This tornado, like so many others, is exposing a MAJOR flaw in the EF Scale in that it is nearly impossible for a tornado to hit and sufficiently destroy a structure capable of indicating EF5 intensity. If the tornado didn't hit a SINGLE HOME or other structure along its 150 or so mile path capable of indicating an EF5 rating, that says more about the scale than the actual intensity of the tornado.
 
buckeye05 said:
Yup. I think there’s enough in the Cambridge Shores community for marginal EF5. But if they just can’t find quality construction anywhere along the path, which is a possibility we shouldn’t discount, the only chance of such a rating is going to come down to non-established DIs, something that hasn’t been done since 2011. We’ll see. At the end of the day, if they go with high-end EF4, it’s still not going to be quite as egregious as Vilonia, Chickasha, New Wren, Goldsby, Chapman, or Rochelle imo.
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Nah this would probably top all of these with exception of a couple at most tbh.
 
TH2002 said:
This tornado, like so many others, is exposing a MAJOR flaw in the EF Scale in that it is nearly impossible for a tornado to hit and sufficiently destroy a structure capable of indicating EF5 intensity. If the tornado didn't hit a SINGLE HOME or other structure along its 150 or so mile path capable of indicating an EF5 rating, that says more about the scale than the actual intensity of the tornado.
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Or you look for evidence that goes beyond the DIs. In Joplin for instance, a couple of concrete parking blocks that were stripped from the ground at a parking lot influenced the EF5 rating.
 
vanni9283 said:
Or you look for evidence that goes beyond the DIs. In Joplin for instance, a couple of concrete parking blocks that were stripped from the ground at a parking lot influenced the EF5 rating.
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NWS Huntsville uses a lot of contextual, non-structural DI's in their damage surveys.
 
andyhb said:
Nah this would probably top all of these with exception of a couple at most tbh.
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You think so? I personally don’t feel like this one isn’t quite as much of a slam dunk evidence wise. Vilonia could have been used as the perfect case study as to what to look for in terms of construction and context when assigning an EF5 rating. I’m currently not feeling quite the same with this one, though I do believe it was an EF5 event. If you don’t mind me asking, what specifically puts this one a cut above the rest in your opinion?
 
vanni9283 said:
Or you look for evidence that goes beyond the DIs. In Joplin for instance, a couple of concrete parking blocks that were stripped from the ground at a parking lot influenced the EF5 rating.
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I’m getting the impression that this may be what happens. Between the deep scouring, the torn up concrete slab, and the multi-ton coal hopper train cars being thrown uphill, I think there is a prettty strong contextual case for EF5.
 
At last, a clear ground level photo of the "$800,000 home" and its surrounding homes. Not sure I'd say they are EF5 candidates, but it's still nice to finally have a decently close ground level photo.
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