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Severe WX December 10 & 11, 2021 Severe Threat

Tomcats Forever! said:


At 2:55, and when they show the house again at the end of the video, it looks like half the foundation was pulled up a bit.
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This is a common misinterpretation. What you are looking at is the exposed concrete masonry block foundation after the subflooring was obliterated, with the poured concrete garage slab still remaining. Though the ground-level photos above show that much of the block foundation itself was sheared off and shattered to pieces, which is impressive in its own way.
 
buckeye05 said:
Just FYI, this isn’t the first time that a tornado has caused fatalities at an Amazon warehouse. There was an EF1 on November 3, 2018 that struck the Amazon warehouse in Baltimore, MD and blew in a concrete exterior wall, killing 3 employees. Needless to say, it’s not a good look for the company, and the higher-ups need to find a way to prioritize their employees safety and have a tornado plan. It’s ridiculous that the 2018 Baltimore incident didn’t result in any reform of any kind.
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I mean it's Amazon, they can get away with blatant disregard for their workers' well-being like any large multinational conglomerate can; by throwing enough money at anyone important enough to look the other way. I highly doubt much in the way of reform will be made, sadly.
 
buckeye05 said:
This is a common misinterpretation. What you are looking at is the exposed concrete masonry block foundation after the subflooring was obliterated, with the poured concrete garage slab still remaining. Though the ground-level photos above show that much of the block foundation itself was sheared off and shattered to pieces, which is impressive in its own way.
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I think you are looking at a different house than i am. The one i pointed out doesn't even have a garage.
12587 KY-181 if you wanna look at it on google maps.
 
Tomcats Forever! said:
I think you are looking at a different house than i am. The one i pointed out doesn't even have a garage.
12587 KY-181 if you wanna look at it on google maps.
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Ok yeah I see what you’re talking about now. That’s a wooden subfloor there as well though. It’s been shifted a bit. This is the kind of thing that causes the legendary but almost always untrue “the foundations were dislodged/swept away” etc reports after violent tornadoes.
 
buckeye05 said:
Ok yeah I see what you’re talking about now. That’s a wooden subfloor there as well though. It’s been shifted a bit. This is the kind of thing that causes the legendary but almost always untrue “the foundations were dislodged/swept away” etc reports after violent tornadoes.
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I watched the video again and noticed that it's on a very short CMU foundation and was picked and moved intact like 6 foot east. Looks like some of the foundation is still attached to the subfloor. From streetview it looks like the foundation walls didn't even stick out a foot from the ground.

I'd think a subfloor getting picked up like that would just take off like a kite and get obliterated.

I think that's pretty remarkable even if it can't be used as an argument for ef-5.
 
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Juliett Bravo Kilo said:
According to wikipedia the main tornado of the outbreak now has a preliminary rating of EF4, so perhaps some tornadoes will get the ratings they deserve:

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That’s insufficient. The damage to the UK research facility in Princeton alone should warrant EF5. Monette AR and Bowling Green KY should also be upgraded to high-end EF4 based on the scouring observed in the former and the damage to well-anchored structures in the latter. Saloma–Hobson KY and Dresden TN should also be upgraded to low-end EF4 at the very least, based on contextual, if not structural, damage. Unless all these changes are made I will not be satisfied, and neither should anyone else. The problem is that all too often people on social media and elsewhere do not send their information and photography to the appropriate WFO, so that the survey teams end up missing invaluable DIs such as the scouring in AR that only ended up being noticed due to @buckeye05 having contacted PAH.
 
Casuarina Head said:
That’s insufficient. The damage to the UK research facility in Princeton alone should warrant EF5. Monette AR and Bowling Green KY should also be upgraded to high-end EF4 based on the scouring observed in the former and the damage to well-anchored structures in the latter. Saloma–Hobson KY and Dresden TN should also be upgraded to low-end EF4 at the very least, based on contextual, if not structural, damage. Unless all these changes are made I will not be satisfied, and neither should anyone else. The problem is that all too often people on social media and elsewhere do not send their information and photography to the appropriate WFO, so that the survey teams end up missing invaluable DIs such as the scouring in AR that only ended up being noticed due to @buckeye05 having contacted PAH.
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You’re already confused. The deep scouring was in Kentucky near the beginning of the path of the second long-tracker; the same one that hit Mayfield. The most impressive vegetation damage from the first one I’ve seen so far was to that row of trees near Buckeye, AR.
 
Casuarina Head said:
This is clear-cut EF5 damage. Did Timothy P. Marshall et al. survey this damage yet?
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Those are CMU foundations, so clear-cut is not the term I’d use to describe it. With that said, the photo TH200 posted above does appear to show at least one clean poured concrete slab, but I’m not sure it’s clean from the tornado itself or debris cleanup.
 
buckeye05 said:
Those are CMU foundations, so clear-cut is not the term I’d use to describe it. With that said, the photo TH200 posted above does appear to show at least one clean poured concrete slab, but I’m not sure it’s clean from the tornado itself or debris cleanup.
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I'm also not certain if it was well-anchored or not, even if it was swept clean by the tornado. For the most part the context surrounding that home is totally there though.
 
TH2002 said:
I'm also not certain if it was well-anchored or not, even if it was swept clean by the tornado. For the most part the context surrounding that home is totally there though.
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I don’t know, I’m no expert in any realm of imagination, but that large completely leafed shrub or small tree along with what appears to be other shrubs around the house brings lots of questions about that structure.
 
ARCC said:
I don’t know, I’m no expert in any realm of imagination, but that large completely leafed shrub or small tree along with what appears to be other shrubs around the house brings lots of questions about that structure.
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That could give credence to the foundation being post cleanup, but at the same time the debarked trees and scoured grass in the front yard could give credence to it being swept away by the tornado. Either way I just wish there was a way to confirm it for 100% sure.
 
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