Severe WX December 10 & 11, 2021 Severe Threat

[Juliett Bravo Kilo]

Had to screenshot another part of that Bremen video, because this might be the creepiest capture of a tornado that I've seen, especially knowing what it was doing in this area.

Only creepier shot is the "Dead Man Walking" one from Jarrell but yeah, I get the idea. Was it passing over a populate area at this point?

 

[buckeye05]

Yeah, between this and the Amazon warehouse, one big takeaway from this outbreak is that businesses really need to do better when it comes to ensuring the safety of their employees during tornadic weather. Either have a large engineered safe room that can fit all the employees, or have a dismissal plan ahead of time so the employees have time to seek shelter elsewhere. The tragic death tolls at those businesses didn't need to happen.

 

[locomusic01]

I was going to say I saw some rumblings earlier that suggested that they took the necessary precautions and my first thought was "you're going to trust the managers on that?"

I'm sure we'll find out more about what actually happened in the coming days and such, but just from what some of the workers have said so far, it sure doesn't sound like there was much of a plan at all. Some said they hid in bathrooms, others said they tried ducking for cover under equipment, some said they were still working until moments before it hit, etc. If that's the case, that's absolutely inexcusable to the point of criminal negligence.

 

[andyhb]

Especially considering a tornado literally hit the town in 2016.

 

[Equus]

Wrangler did an excellent job rebuilding with a tornado plan after 4/27 from what I've heard overall, it sucks that it takes many companies being hit with fatalities before having a plan though. That's a completely needless loss of life

 

[Juliett Bravo Kilo]

I'm sure we'll find out more about what actually happened in the coming days and such, but just from what some of the workers have said so far, it sure doesn't sound like there was much of a plan at all. Some said they hid in bathrooms, others said they tried ducking for cover under equipment, some said they were still working until moments before it hit, etc. If that's the case, that's absolutely inexcusable to the point of criminal negligence.

Of course don't expect the employers to get held to much accountability, if any at all. Companies are always able to weasel their way out of that, it seems.

 

[andyhb]

Only creepier shot is the "Dead Man Walking" one from Jarrell but yeah, I get the idea. Was it passing over a populate area at this point?

Yes, it was in the Bremen area at this time.

 

[OHWX97]

..Wow.

Disgusting. The saddest thing is that I'm not surprised by this blatant and despicable lack of regard for the well-being of their employees, especially this time of year. I've haven't read up on Edwardsville recently, but I'm sure this was also the case at the Amazon facility.

 

[buckeye05]

CNN is interviewing a mother who along with her kids, were all thrown 200 yards through the air into a field when her home was slabbed in Dawson Springs. All have minor to moderate injuries. No broken bones. Truly remarkable.

 

[David in SW Blount]

Disgusting. The saddest thing is that I'm not surprised by this blatant and despicable lack of regard for the well-being of their employees, especially this time of year. I've haven't read up on Edwardsville recently, but I'm sure this was also the case at the Amazon facility.

Warehouse/assembly line/blue-collar job life ain't always pretty, to say the least. My son-in-law works an assembly line job in Birmingham, and the hours, expectations, and demands are well beyond absurd (I guess they get around the legalities through a lot of "voluntelling"). So, I'm not surprised a bunch of low-wage workers were expected to work all night even with a moderate risk in place and a large, confirmed tornado barreling toward Mayfield for well over an hour in advance. Which could maybe speak to the argument that wording with these outlooks needs to change. A moderate risk doesn't sound threatening. Level 4 out of 5 sounds much more serious.

 

[TH2002]

The house in the black circle is here:

363 Estates Dr · 363 Estates Dr, Gilbertsville, KY 42044

Building

goo.gl

Where can I find more photos from this area?

 

[OHWX97]

Warehouse/assembly line/blue-collar job life ain't always pretty, to say the least. My son-in-law works an assembly line job in Birmingham, and the hours, expectations, and demands are well beyond absurd (I guess they get around the legalities through a lot of "voluntelling"). So, I'm not surprised a bunch of low-wage workers were expected to work all night even with a moderate risk in place and a large, confirmed tornado barreling toward Mayfield for well over an hour in advance. Which could maybe speak to the argument that wording with these outlooks needs to change. A moderate risk doesn't sound threatening. Level 4 out of 5 sounds much more serious.

Yeah. I'm not surprised either. A lot of things need to change, but I don't think it's necessarily the wording of outlooks. The threat was clear on Friday, management had plenty of warning and they knew exactly what was coming. Something clearly should have been done. There's no reason those employee's shouldn't have been sent home or properly sheltered. It's outrageous.

 

[TH2002]

I understand CMU foundation homes shouldn't and/or can't be rated EF5, but I strongly feel this home in Bremen experienced EF5 winds regardless of the foundation type. Grass and shrubbery around the home was totally scoured and many of the cinder blocks themselves were torn to pieces in Smithville fashion.


Smithville:

 

[Equus]

That's the frustrating thing about tornado ratings, it's very obvious a built to code house there would have been similarly swept clean but the rating will certainly reflect a much lower intensity than actually occured because of the anchoring of the house that was there

I mean even the blocks were torn apart and the home debris is barely recognizable, that was some absolutely horrifying intensity

 

[buckeye05]

I understand CMU foundation homes shouldn't and/or can't be rated EF5, but I strongly feel this home in Bremen experienced EF5 winds regardless of the foundation type. Grass and shrubbery around the home was totally scoured and many of the cinder blocks themselves were torn to pieces in Smithville fashion.
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Smithville:
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On the left of the first photo, the CMU stemwall appears to be sheared off at ground level. Definitely some insane wind speeds here.

 

[Equus]

I wonder if that's the kind of thing that led to the "even the foundation was swept away!" reports of yore

 

[buckeye05]

I wonder if that's the kind of thing that led to the "even the foundation was swept away!" reports of yore

I would definitely say so.

 

[pohnpei]

I understand CMU foundation homes shouldn't and/or can't be rated EF5, but I strongly feel this home in Bremen experienced EF5 winds regardless of the foundation type. Grass and shrubbery around the home was totally scoured and many of the cinder blocks themselves were torn to pieces in Smithville fashion.
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Smithville:
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This EF5 rating house of Pakersburg was also CMU foundation If I'm correct. The rating was probably due to the extreme contextual damage surrounding it. The same thing appeared here was the blown away of even the foundation stem walls and scouring of Bremen there was even more significant.Also I see anchor bolt on Bremen's foundation.

 

[OHWX97]

Update on the preliminary rating for the Dresden tornado has it at high end EF3. Surveying still ongoing. P.S., I notice a red damage indicator on part of the Mayfield tornado's track, does that mean they found EF4 damage at Cayce?

I think we saw something we weren't suppose to see. They seemingly took down the tweet.

 

[atrainguy]

I think we saw something we weren't suppose to see. They seemingly took down the tweet.

Ahh ok, I'll just delete my post then.