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Significant Tornado Events
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No clear aerial shoto from Jianguo Village yet. One from Mafangzi Village when tornado was much weaker.
Some people from official already rued to give Kaiyuan and Chifeng tornado EF4 rating. One of the reason was more people realized most of houses had structure flaws and should be given LB winds. Another reason was EF4 rating shouldn't be given when there was only one or two EF4 damage place along the path. I'm hesitate to judge these ideas beacuse I'm no expert. But as for Baochang tornado, forests before and after the village were all severely debarked and ground had been scoured. Vehicles in the town was tossed around with some of them being mangled. Houses with thick wall leveled with stunning high death rate in the village. All these features meet with a violent tornado and probably not a weak one. The official yearly report would be released early Next year So they still have room to rectify.
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The same field before and after the Baochang EF3 tornado.Severe ground and crop scouring was evident.It seems that some kind of peas or peanuts grows on this farmland.
Some other damage photos, including a silver pick up truck(or something else?) thrown at least 100m without ground contact.
A 5.9 ton Fortschritt E 512 was blown over and partially cracked.
one or two story residence made of concrete and brick(the heal post was made by red brick, with concrete and cement painted between these bricks to agglutinate, while the wall was mainly mad by cement with no concrete reinforcing bars anchoring)was completely demolished.
Some other damage photos, including a silver pick up truck(or something else?) thrown at least 100m without ground contact.
A 5.9 ton Fortschritt E 512 was blown over and partially cracked.
one or two story residence made of concrete and brick(the heal post was made by red brick, with concrete and cement painted between these bricks to agglutinate, while the wall was mainly mad by cement with no concrete reinforcing bars anchoring)was completely demolished.
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That vehicle damage is pretty impressive and some of the worst I’ve seen outside the US.
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Are these damage photographs from Jianguo Village?
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Almost all of the most severe damage occurred in Jianguo village, which is the final town the tornado had ever reached.
Jianguo village was built near a small hill.The tornado maintained mostly mid EF2- low end EF3 damage through most of its lifespan.It then climbed over a small hill, crossing a forest area and then directly went into this small village, the tornado strengthened dramatically when it came down from the hill, with a portion of entire forests(most were hardwood birch trees)being completely debarked and left no tree branches but only trunks.
Crossing the road, this monster went into the crop field I mentioned above, low lying shrubbs and peanut were torn out.Tree branches and barks from the annihilated forests were torn into small pieces and wind rolled together, spread across the scoured field.You can see the village not far away.
This monster EF4 somehow narrowed but went directly into the Jianguo village, completely leveled brick houses and tossed cars, at least 8 fatalities were confirmed right here, with unknown, maybe dozens of injuries.Some neighborhood were entirely leveled.
Have a before glimpse of the Jianguo village.
Passing the town,the tornado maintained its strength into an open field, here, hardwood trees were again severely debarked, with soil around the tree trunk been scoured.Debris from the town such as wires and building materials tangled around these debarked tree trunk.The tornado quickly climbed onto another hill and quickly dissipated.
Jianguo village was built near a small hill.The tornado maintained mostly mid EF2- low end EF3 damage through most of its lifespan.It then climbed over a small hill, crossing a forest area and then directly went into this small village, the tornado strengthened dramatically when it came down from the hill, with a portion of entire forests(most were hardwood birch trees)being completely debarked and left no tree branches but only trunks.
Crossing the road, this monster went into the crop field I mentioned above, low lying shrubbs and peanut were torn out.Tree branches and barks from the annihilated forests were torn into small pieces and wind rolled together, spread across the scoured field.You can see the village not far away.
This monster EF4 somehow narrowed but went directly into the Jianguo village, completely leveled brick houses and tossed cars, at least 8 fatalities were confirmed right here, with unknown, maybe dozens of injuries.Some neighborhood were entirely leveled.
Have a before glimpse of the Jianguo village.
Passing the town,the tornado maintained its strength into an open field, here, hardwood trees were again severely debarked, with soil around the tree trunk been scoured.Debris from the town such as wires and building materials tangled around these debarked tree trunk.The tornado quickly climbed onto another hill and quickly dissipated.
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Right.Almost all of the damage occurred in or near the Jianguo village.The tornado strengthed into a violent EF4 as it entered the village.
That’s some pretty serious debris granulation right there. Now I’m even more convinced it was an EF4. Hopefully they decide to upgrade.
I’ve heard the “don’t base a violent rating on just one or two structures” rule of thumb before but only once: in Vilonia. Needless to say, I don’t really agree with that line of thinking.
I’ve heard the “don’t base a violent rating on just one or two structures” rule of thumb before but only once: in Vilonia. Needless to say, I don’t really agree with that line of thinking.
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If that rule was valid then many tornadoes from weak ones to violent ones would need to be downgraded. It is stupid.
Pic1 and 2 4 9 10 was well after tornado leaving the town.Pic3 5 8 was before tornado entering the town. Tornado likely still intensifing after the village.
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Was it mud along the riverbanks or from directly underneath? Also, I've never heard of this tornado, I'd like more info if possible.
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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OK yeah I have heard this of one now, my bad. Yeah it had some of the most beautiful picture for a wedge I've ever seen.
andyhb
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I haven't read the Tuscaloosa article on Tornado Talk yet, but I'd have to imagine it includes this.
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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This is what I was thinking of awhile back as being the possible area of EF5 damage that the surveyors missed.
Yes, It includes. This was also near the steel bridge which was quite Incredible based on the pics and discription from Tornadotalk. The whole railway had been pulled out and bent. There was even larger house than this swept clean from the foundation and hadn't been surveyed in forest area showed in their article.
Yeah the TornadoTalk team is proving itself to be an invaluable group of researchers. They have been able pick up on details, and in some cases, entire path segments missed by NWS survey teams. Their work is not only an important dissenting voice, but they are also able to highlight poor and incomplete NWS surveying that would otherwise not ever be addressed. Plus, they are well-informed about construction and modern damage surveying methods, and objective in their research. While I’m not subscribed to TT, I can’t say enough good things about them.
Their work alone has made me rethink my stance on 2011 Tuscaloosa/Birmingham rating. Up until now, I sided confidently with high-end EF4, as nobody could show me any real specific incidents of EF5-deserving damage. But with those two houses (assuming they were bolted down) within the vicinity of that railroad bridge, I do think there is now enough evidence for a post-analysis rating upgrade.
Their work alone has made me rethink my stance on 2011 Tuscaloosa/Birmingham rating. Up until now, I sided confidently with high-end EF4, as nobody could show me any real specific incidents of EF5-deserving damage. But with those two houses (assuming they were bolted down) within the vicinity of that railroad bridge, I do think there is now enough evidence for a post-analysis rating upgrade.
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This image from Fargo definitely suggests that the event was a higher-end F5 than I initially believed. Most of the tornadoes that have produced such high-end damage to large vehicles have also generated extensive debris granulation and/or wind-rowing. Neither is explicit in the above image, but perhaps it occurred nearby, given the damage to the vehicle in the foreground. Many vehicles at the time, as mentioned previously, were also heavier than they are today, making this occurrence all the more notable.Speaking of vehicle damage, I was looking through my Fargo F5 folder the other day and stumbled upon this photo I'd forgotten about. It looks like the chassis of a bus that's been completely stripped but it's hard to even tell for certain:
