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Another event I've recently dug into was one of the strongest January Tornadoes ever recorded, and one of the most violent tornadoes ever recorded in the Tuscaloosa - Birmingham Metropolitan Corridor on January 22, 1904, where it struck Moundville around midnight, leaving horrible destruction in its wake. The tornado moved to the NNE and was unusual because it was completely isolated. Although heavy wind damage and debris falling from the sky was reported in Tuscaloosa, further NNE of the estimated dissipation point, no other tornadoes were noted.

20th Century Reanalysis data has a trough ejecting in the Arklatex area at the time the tornado occurred. Given that the tornado occurred in January, instability and warm air would likely not have gone too far inland, preventing a more substantial risk, than if this trough had ejected in March or April. The trough isn't necessarily as strong higher up at 500 millibars, which is seen below.

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However, the 850 millibar analysis tells a different story, with a moderately strong low-level jet, about 48.6 knots in intensity to be exact, moving to the NNE, which was the direction that the tornado moved in. This tells me that the 850 level jet had much more influence than the 500 level jet, and was the sole force steering the supercell thunderstorm responsible for the tornado. This leads me to believe that the lower-level shear values on January 22, 1904 would have been quite high, and that the 850 level jet was actually stronger than 48.6 knots, as it clearly had more influence than the upper level winds to steer the supercell to the NNE.

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The 1000mb reanalysis for the time of the tornado's occurrence tells me that the biggest change in winds with height was rather low in the atmosphere, as the difference between the direction of wind in the 500 and 850 millibar levels was not too significant. Although it was significant enough to not favor a squall line to go up almost immediately, which certainly would not have resulted in a tornado of the intensity of the one that struck Moundville that night, it was not too significant to favor more discrete supercell activity, where we likely would have seen more than just one tornado. This evidence leads me to believe that the main storm mode on January 22, 1904 would have been more of a semi-discrete supercell thunderstorm mode, with a messy warm sector. This theory is further supported by the rather short track of the Moundville Tornado.

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Available evidence points to a classic supercell thunderstorm as the culprit for the Moundville Tornado. The supercell responsible for the tornado was first noted as it moved through the Greensboro, AL area, the same Greensboro that was hit by the violent tornado yesterday, a lot of lightning, moderately heavy rain, and high, but not destructive winds were noted. Similar weather was reported at Tuscaloosa. Given the fact that the rain wasn't very, very heavy, and the fact that the tornado was visible as it struck the city, we can infer that the supercell was not of a high-precipitation storm mode. If that had been the case, then the rain would have been VERY heavy and the tornado would have likely been hidden behind curtains of rain. Lots of lightning would not have been documented, as the HP storm mode would have obscured most of the upper structure, where most of the lightning was likely seen from.

We can also infer that the parent supercell would have had a very, VERY intense mesocyclone on radar, had it occurred today, right before dropping the Moundville Tornado. This can be inferred due to the extremely rapid intensification of the tornado once it had touched down. The tornado also did not last long after formation, being on the ground for no more than 10 miles. This means that the supercell thunderstorm responsible for the tornado was likely obscured by some sort of precipitation shortly after tornadogenesis occurred, as cyclical supercells are usually seen with Plains and High Plains Tornado events with lots of instability, not January Dixie Alley shear-driven setups. Although the in-depth mesoscale parameters of that day will never be known and lost to history, reanalysis data suggests that the warm sector was very saturated (had a dewpoint very close to the actual temperature), meaning that the lower-level lapse rates would likely have been lower than usual. The reanalysis data paints a clear picture of a very messy warm sector, with lots of convection with sufficient thermodynamics for supercell activity and high-end kinematics capable of violent tornadoes. However, the one mesoscale fact that we do know for sure is that everything came together perfectly to allow the Moundville Supercell to come together and drop such a violent monster.

This sounding from the 20th Century Reanalysis Data further suggests the likelihood of a classic supercell thunderstorm was responsible for producing the Moundville Tornado

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The tornado itself was described to be quite visible, as evidenced by this clipping from the Monthly Weather Review, "It was accompanied with a funnel-shaped cloud, which had a phosphorescent glow and emitted blinding flashes of lightning, and from which was heard a loud, rumbling noise, resembling that caused by a number of rapidly-moving freight trains." This account describes that the tornado was likely lit up by several power flashes from inside.

The tornado produced several incredible feats of damage. Newspapers reported that gulches were dug in the ground two miles SSW of Moundville, very close to the touchdown point. This is likely referring to ground scouring, or trenches dug in the ground. This further supports the intense mesocyclone radar presentation. The tornado expanded significantly as it bore down on the northern part of Moundville at 1:20 AM local time, cutting a very wide swath of death and destruction through town. Businesses, buildings, and homes were razed to the ground and scattered all over the place. Some of the photos that I've found from the site remind me of textbook violent tornadoes in more recent history. Although the tornado was rated F4 by Grazulis, I personally have it listed as an F5 due to the sheer destruction, contextual evidence, and incredible "Freaks of the Storm," that this tornado resulted in.

General View of the tornado-devastated section of Moundville. Notice how debris is scattered all over the place and at the bottom left even seems to be embedded in the ground. This is absolutely textbook high-end tornado damage.

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In Moundville, the tornado was also reported to have ripped up a safe from its anchors, tore the door wide open, and thrown 500 yards away. This reminds me of what Rainsville did. Except for one store, every single business in town was laid to ruins. Cotton bales were destroyed and carried for long distances. The tornado continued moving to the north-northeast and maintained its intensity as it decimated rural areas. Every single vestige of life was reported to have been torn from the ground in rural areas, which may indicate scouring. However, I am unable to confirm if scouring actually occurred in this part of the path or not. Massive tree damage also occurred in the wake of the tornado. The tornado destroyed one more Lumber Mill near the community of Hull as a final act before it quickly weakened and shrunk back up into the parent storm, never to touch the ground again. Debris continued to fall out from the parent supercell far away from Moundville, with debris being reported as far away as Holt, which is about 19 miles from Moundville. This is another textbook hallmark of an extremely high-end tornado.

With all available evidence, everything points to the Moundville, AL tornado of January 22, 1904 being one of the most violent tornadoes in Alabama History, as well as one of the most violent, if not the most violent ever recorded in January.
Great breakdown! I'd never really paid much attention to this tornado before, but it sounds very impressive.
 

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I apologize if this is a stupid question and I misunderstood something, but I was reading about the 2011 Super Outbreak and noticed that according to the NWS, the Hackleburg tornado had estimated "maximum" winds up to 210mph. Obviously very strong and within the EF5 range, but this seems pretty low end considering how high end the destruction seems to be, at least according to the plenty of pictures and many discussions here on this site. It seems that the other EF5s that day were estimated as lower end EF5s as well, with Smithville and Philadelphia at 205mph, and Rainsville being practically borderline EF4 at 200mph. I realize these are only estimates and there are no officially recorded maximum wind speeds, but is there a reason the NWS thinks these tornadoes were probably lower end EF5s? This is the Hackleburg article, BTW, just for reference: https://www.weather.gov/bmx/event_04272011hackleburg
Not a stupid question at all. It's just an artifact of the way the EF-scale works, or at least the way it's usually implemented. The "maximum" wind speed is based on the most severe damage the tornado produces, of course, but that damage is effectively rated based on the minimum estimated wind speed it would take to produce it.

So, let's say a tornado sweeps away several well-built homes. From that damage, surveyors derive an estimate of 210 mph, which becomes the tornado's "maximum" wind speed. In reality, that tornado might well have had wind speeds of 250 or even 300 mph, but there's no way to officially derive that within the EF-scale system.

(That technically isn't true - there are a couple of damage indicators for which the maximum possible wind speed estimate is far in excess of 200 mph - but they're extremely rare. The odds of a violent tornado striking such a DI directly and at/near peak intensity are pretty astronomical.)

The Greensburg and Parkersburg tornadoes, the only two to be rated EF5 of the Enhanced Fujita scale prior to the Super Outbreak, were estimated at 205 mph, iirc (someone please correct me if I am wrong). So 205 mph represented the absolute upper tier of "maximum" estimated wind speeds assessed in EF-scale damage surveys by the time the Super Outbreak EF5 tornadoes were rated (minus Rainsville, which I think was upgraded a couple months later). I can imagine that the WFOs assessing the Super Outbreak didn't know if they wanted to go much higher than that when assessing their EF5s, due to the fact that it had never been done before, though I can't be certain. Those are just my two cents.

El Reno 2011 might be the only tornado surveyed since the EF-scale was implemented to have had estimated wind speeds "in excess" of 210 mph. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong on anything here, as I'm not as well-versed in tornado history as many of you others here are.
El Reno 2011 is a great example of the problem. Based on homes and other standard DIs, it would've been assigned an EF4. The only reason it's officially recognized as an EF5 is because RaXPol data recorded velocities of 295+ mph and, in the same vicinity, it did some remarkably violent damage around the Cactus 117 site. None of that stuff falls within the actual EF-scale, so it's sort of at the discretion of the surveyors whether or not to use and how to interpret it. It might well have "officially" had 190-195 mph max winds if they'd decided to go that way, even though we have several different lines of evidence suggesting it far exceeded that.
 
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Not a stupid question at all. It's just an artifact of the way the EF-scale works, or at least the way it's usually implemented. The "maximum" wind speed is based on the most severe damage the tornado produces, of course, but that damage is effectively rated based on the minimum estimated wind speed it would take to produce it.

So, let's say a tornado sweeps away several well-built homes. From that damage, surveyors derive an estimate of 210 mph, which becomes the tornado's "maximum" wind speed. In reality, that tornado might well have had wind speeds of 250 or even 300 mph, but there's no way to officially derive that within the EF-scale system.

(That technically isn't true - there are a couple of damage indicators for which the maximum possible wind speed estimate is far in excess of 200 mph - but they're extremely rare. The odds of a violent tornado striking such a DI directly and at/near peak intensity are pretty astronomical.)


El Reno 2011 is a great example of the problem. Based on homes and other standard DIs, it would've been assigned an EF4. The only reason it's officially recognized as an EF5 is because RaXPol data recorded velocities of 295+ mph and, in the same vicinity, it did some remarkably violent damage around the Cactus 117 site. None of that stuff falls within the actual EF-scale, so it's sort of at the discretion of the surveyors whether or not to use and how to interpret it. It might well have "officially" had 190-195 mph max winds if they'd decided to go that way, even though we have several different lines of evidence suggesting it far exceeded that.
Interesting analysis of how the scale works; do you know what factors led Chickasha and Goldsby to being assigned EF4 instead of EF5? Perhaps allowing major damage at the discretion of surveyors could be a problem in some cases.
 

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Interesting analysis of how the scale works; do you know what factors led Chickasha and Goldsby to being assigned EF4 instead of EF5? Perhaps allowing major damage at the discretion of surveyors could be a problem in some cases.
Kiel Ortega has a paper that discusses this a bit. I think it's from the symposium AMS held on the 2011 tornadoes. He mentioned there were a number of homes along the paths of each tornado that were considered for an EF5 rating, but they were each dismissed for various reasons. El Reno was different primarily because of the RaXPol data, which they seem to have used as a basis for also considering several "unconventional DIs" that occurred in the same general area as the radar obs - the Cactus 117 damage, vehicles thrown great distances, large shipping containers thrown hundreds of yards, etc.

I don't think they've ever explicitly said as much, but my sense is that those things probably wouldn't have factored into the rating if RaXPol hadn't gotten that data. Especially considering how extreme and relatively consistent the velocities were. But yes, they do acknowledge that it's a clear problem that has to be addressed. And yet, here we are.
 

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I've talked about this tornado before on this thread but the May 7, 1927 Aetna KS tornado produced some Jarrell-style damage though it was somewhat faster-moving than Jarrell. I consider it to be likely the strongest tornado in Kansas history. Animals were reportedly carried for miles and mutilated and torn apart. It was also much wider than Jarrell at a max width of 1-2 miles.
https://talkweather.com/threads/significant-tornado-events.1276/post-49949
 

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I've talked about this tornado before on this thread but the May 7, 1927 Aetna KS tornado produced some Jarrell-style damage though it was somewhat faster-moving than Jarrell. I consider it to be likely the strongest tornado in Kansas history. Animals were reportedly carried for miles and mutilated and torn apart. It was also much wider than Jarrell at a max width of 1-2 miles.
https://talkweather.com/threads/significant-tornado-events.1276/post-49949
I could've sworn I had some photos from near Medicine Lodge and McPherson, but I can't find them in my files now. Certainly does belong among the most intense Kansas tornadoes, though, and the path length (though it was probably a family) is pretty unique for that area as well. That outbreak sequence produced a number of exceptionally violent tornadoes.

For some reason, I always remember the Rocksprings F5 as being part of that sequence despite it occurring nearly a month earlier.
 
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I could've sworn I had some photos from near Medicine Lodge and McPherson, but I can't find them in my files now. Certainly does belong among the most intense Kansas tornadoes, though, and the path length (though it was probably a family) is pretty unique for that area as well. That outbreak sequence produced a number of exceptionally violent tornadoes.

For some reason, I always remember the Rocksprings F5 as being part of that sequence despite it occurring nearly a month earlier.
Rocksprings is a tornado I've posted stuff on before, but it's hard to find photographs of the most intense damage. Someone on the old thread posted this one picture I've never been able to find anywhere else (wish I saved it!) of the downtown area and it looked really intense, even if cleanup had occurred. Maybe you know what I'm talking about?
 

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Juliett, do you think it’s common for EF5 and even EF4 tornadoes to do damage to anchor bolts such as snapping, ripping them out, or bending them? and also stripping away flooring? do you think flooring being stripped is normal in EF5 tornadoes
 

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I could've sworn I had some photos from near Medicine Lodge and McPherson, but I can't find them in my files now. Certainly does belong among the most intense Kansas tornadoes, though, and the path length (though it was probably a family) is pretty unique for that area as well. That outbreak sequence produced a number of exceptionally violent tornadoes.

For some reason, I always remember the Rocksprings F5 as being part of that sequence despite it occurring nearly a month earlier.
The photographs I posted show some of the most extreme vehicle damage I've seen from the pre-1940 era and support the eyewitness accounts that say entire homes were completely swept clean. Also, I noticed some similarities between this tornado and the 1896 Seneca F5 and the 1917 Sedgwick F5. Both were large long-tracked F5s that occurred in KS during the early parts of widespread and violent outbreak sequences.
 

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Juliett, do you think it’s common for EF5 and even EF4 tornadoes to do damage to anchor bolts such as snapping, ripping them out, or bending them? and also stripping away flooring? do you think flooring being stripped is normal in EF5 tornadoes
Yes anchor-bolts being bent is not uncommon in EF5 tornadoes. Flooring being stripped is extremely common in EF5 tornadoes.
 
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I came across these two photos from Rocksprings while searching for ancient damage photos
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I have a feeling some clean up has occurred. Neither of these are the one I'm thinking about. This thing was said to be remarkably intense (235 of 247 structures in town were levelled, supposedly) but I've never found a photograph that directly shows the most intense damage in plain view; usually it's in the background or on the edges of the photograph. The bottom left of the last photograph has what appears to be some intense wind rowing but it's hard to make out for sure.
 

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I have a feeling some clean up has occurred. Neither of these are the one I'm thinking about. This thing was said to be remarkably intense (235 of 247 structures in town were levelled, supposedly) but I've never found a photograph that directly shows the most intense damage in plain view; usually it's in the background or on the edges of the photograph. The bottom left of the last photograph has what appears to be some intense wind rowing but it's hard to make out for sure.
To be fair I'm kind of beginning to doubt the true intensity of the Rocksprings Tornado. For the rather rural nature of the tornado, there really isn't any photographic evidence confirming the area of "worst damage." Trees were denuded, homes were destroyed, and downtown businesses were severely damaged, but there is no photographic evidence that I've seen that make me think that this tornado was anything special.
 
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To be fair I'm kind of beginning to doubt the true intensity of the Rocksprings Tornado. For the rather rural nature of the tornado, there really isn't any photographic evidence confirming the area of "worst damage." Trees were denuded, homes were destroyed, and downtown businesses were severely damaged, but there is no photographic evidence that I've seen that make me think that this tornado was anything special.
Same here, although I have seen photographs with intense damage in the background so it could be a case of the extreme damage wasn't photographed all that much which seems to be a common problem with older events.
 

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I've seen very little photographic evidence of tornado damage from that era to actually back up the damage reports. I've recently begun to take all damage reports with a grain of salt, for they could just be completely false or caused by newspapers trying to outdo one another. These from the 1899 New Richmond Tornado are by far the most impressive I've seen from pre-1900.

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I've seen very little photographic evidence of tornado damage from that era to actually back up the damage reports. I've recently begun to take all damage reports with a grain of salt, for they could just be completely false or caused by newspapers trying to outdo one another. These from the 1899 New Richmond Tornado are by far the most impressive I've seen from pre-1900.

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Yeah, New Richmond was well-documented likely due to having occurred in a highly-populated area.

A previous post of mine on it: https://talkweather.com/threads/significant-tornado-events.1276/page-45#post-47228

In terms of upper midwest tornadoes it's one of the most impressive, on par with Fergus Falls in terms of damage.
 

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Interesting analysis of how the scale works; do you know what factors led Chickasha and Goldsby to being assigned EF4 instead of EF5? Perhaps allowing major damage at the discretion of surveyors could be a problem in some cases.
Here is another document talked about their rating issue. Damage viewer listed several houses near Blanchard "EF5 Candidate" and "trees nearby similar to EF5 damage of Bridge Creek and Andover". Tim Marshall also once mentioned that Chickasha may "straddle the line" and "the large section of asphalt scouring add confidence to EF5 intensity". But in the end, they still refuse to upgrade it.
 
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I've seen very little photographic evidence of tornado damage from that era to actually back up the damage reports. I've recently begun to take all damage reports with a grain of salt, for they could just be completely false or caused by newspapers trying to outdo one another. These from the 1899 New Richmond Tornado are by far the most impressive I've seen from pre-1900.

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Just incredible. That is some of the most violent tree damage I have ever seen. Adds confidence to my belief that New Richmond was by far the most violent tornado in WI state history.
 
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