Severe WX Severe Weather Threat 4/5/17-4/6/17

Want to put this out here since we're getting in short range model time....
SREF Sigtors are very high for middle GA... Somewhat anticipate this will grow NW a little over the next 8 hours.

(Hard to catch, but the blue area is a sigtor of 8)

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How far NW do you anticipate this to go? Is TN missing out on this threat?
 
AL and GA folks really need to keep an eye out starting late tonight all the way through tomorrow evening. Model parameters are pointing to a high end severe event!
 
3km NAM verbatim shows instability way down in GA from Atlanta northward, but south of there and Alabama is a different story.

Although its certainly close by enough where no area should let their guard down by any means in north Georgia either.

Yeah it's really not advancing the cold front much past I-20 tomorrow. Keeps SBCAPE values down significantly right until the line arrives tomorrow evening north of Atlanta. Not completely sure I buy that but it wouldn't be the first time the warm front didn't rush north.
 
Yeah it's really not advancing the cold front much past I-20 tomorrow. Keeps SBCAPE values down significantly right until the line arrives tomorrow evening north of Atlanta. Not completely sure I buy that but it wouldn't be the first time the warm front didn't rush north.

Yeah, not sure if I buy it either. Looks like an in-situ CAD setup, but I think there's a chance its overdoing QPF in the CAD area and that in turn is keeping surface temps and instability down.
 
For N AL, the HUN AFD this AM is a very good read. Weighs the caveats fairly.

There is still some uncertainty in the overall evolution of the two
different "rounds" on Wednesday. The higher resolution guidance is
indicating that the first round will clip the southeast counties and
move east while allowing afternoon destabilization to occur before
the surface front and deep upper lift move in towards the afternoon
with another round of thunderstorms. GFS/ECMWF are understandably
having a more difficult time differentiating between the two
systems. Thinking the first round of storms won`t be that strong
given the timing and the dew points in the lower 50s thanks to the
southeasterly flow at the surface. Point soundings in Dekalb county
also indicate a strong low level inversion through the morning hours.

The afternoon is really when things could start to get interesting.
Given this is still over a day away, things are in better agreement
that "something" will develop in the afternoon hours. The difference
with Wed compared to previous events is the progressive nature of
the coastal convection and how much earlier than the secondary line
the coastal convection is occurring. Guidance is consistent on dew
points in the lower to mid 60s advecting into the NW AL areas with
the southwesterly flow through the column and into the 60s in the NE
AL area in the wake of the earlier precip. I do not see any kind of
expansive cirrus deck to keep us stable so in theory, if the earlier
convection can exit quick enough in the morning we should be able to
see some peaks of sun and warm up enough (mid to upper 70s) to break
a mid level cap and realize decent instability, aided by steep mid
level lapse rates. There will be no lack of shear as low level winds
increase after 18-21z areawide with 0-1km shear around 30 kts and
0-6km shear as high as 60- 70kts. Low level helicity won`t be too
impressive but given the instability and shear values, may not need
too much to get rotating updrafts. Soundings by the afternoon, if the
pieces align, are impressive, and would be indicative of large hail,
damaging winds, thanks to strong mid level winds and dry air in the
mid levels, and a tornado or two cannot be ruled out. Do agree with
the SPC enhanced risk in the east where we could have better moisture
return behind the morning round and more time to destabilize. It is
still too early for much more specific or enhanced wording though.

Next, are the uncertainties. First issue is the moisture recovery
and related to that, the afternoon mixing that could lower the dew
points, and if the earlier convection will disrupt the wind fields
and therefore, any moisture return. The last point was a big player
last Thursday when convection did not redevelop well in the
afternoon. If the earlier convection lingers in the east and actually
expands farther west than we currently see, the afternoon will not
warm and destabilize very much. This would leave a line of
thunderstorms moving through around 21z in the west which will likely
be strong and not too severe. There is also a pretty significant mid
level dry slot pushing in from the west around 18z which seems to be
well analyzed in soundings. Moisture is really confined to below
800mb which begs the question of how deep the convection will be able
to get. Also, with the strong low level jet, the dew points will
likely mix out a few deg lower than models are predicting as they
always underdo daytime mixing. The models are handling the mixing
out of the cap well but are not showing the lowering of dew points.
 
Significant Tornado Parameters aren't as extreme as Sunday, though.
That doesn't really mean anything. Sig tor parameter wasn't properly applied on Sunday. It is meant for situations where discrete, widely spaced convection is dominant mode. We didn't have that Sunday. We had a convective bomb and semi linear mode.

That's why when certain mets plaster sig tor maps with no context (storm mode, storm spacing, etc) it's really a disservice. It was NOT intended for linear modes, convective explosions, and MCSs.
 
That doesn't really mean anything. Sig tor parameter wasn't properly applied on Sunday. It is meant for situations where discrete, widely spaced convection is dominant mode. We didn't have that Sunday. We had a convective bomb and semi linear mode.

That's why when certain mets plaster sig tor maps with no context (storm mode, storm spacing, etc) it's really a disservice. It was NOT intended for linear modes, convective explosions, and MCSs.
Thanks for saying this..sigtor does not work for many situations.
 
That doesn't really mean anything. Sig tor parameter wasn't properly applied on Sunday. It is meant for situations where discrete, widely spaced convection is dominant mode. We didn't have that Sunday. We had a convective bomb and semi linear mode.

That's why when certain mets plaster sig tor maps with no context (storm mode, storm spacing, etc) it's really a disservice. It was NOT intended for linear modes, convective explosions, and MCSs.

Thank you for the info. I'm a complete amateur when it comes to this.
 
Haven't seen these talked about much but 4/9/98 was the top 48hr CIPS analog at 0z.
 
I'm seriously debating taking all day or just the afternoon off. Good Georgia setups the daytime are very rare.
 
I know this is a Southern US-centric forum, but I'm starting to get pretty concerned about a triple-point threat for significant tornadoes tomorrow in my area. Not likely going to be the thermodynamic powder keg setting up down south in terms of surface based CAPE, but all CAMS suggest widespread discrete convection in a highly sheared environment close to the surface low, with favorable hodos and elevated SRH values present. 3km NAM essentially rakes anywhere from the Ohio Valley to Dixie with tornadic supercells. Like I said, I'm concerned.
 
I know this is a Southern US-centric forum, but I'm starting to get pretty concerned about a triple-point threat for significant tornadoes tomorrow in my area. Not likely going to be the thermodynamic powder keg setting up down south in terms of surface based CAPE, but all CAMS suggest widespread discrete convection in a highly sheared environment close to the surface low, with favorable hodos and elevated SRH values present. 3km NAM essentially rakes anywhere from the Ohio Valley to Dixie with tornadic supercells. Like I said, I'm concerned.

Noticed that this morning looking at last nights WRF. It pounds that area.
 
The new WRFs

The ARW tempers the threat a little from 0z. Still serious but it wants to keep cape down. With lots of convection except for Central GA which gets nailed.

The NMM on the other hand goes absolutely bonkers. Backs wind direction at both the surface and 850mb ahead of the dry line and blows up several very long track supercells from west AL/central TN and marches them east. Is it wrong to say that we should use this model because it puts a very strong/long track supercell over the F5 capital of the world?

No doubt you would need a western and northern expansion of the higher a risk areas there.
 
I don't believe there is much question that there will be a significant event. Anyone that lives in the SPC Day 2 forecast areas of risk (from SLGT to MOD) is is at risk and should play close attention to the next 24-48 hours.

Right now the WHERE and WHEN are the unresolved forecast questions. The "IF" is as close to an absolute certainty at this point (in my opinion) as you can get.

I'm not comparing the scale or magnitude of this event to 4/27/11 in any way, but please remember that even an event like that had forecast uncertainty (would the morning MCS stabilize the atmosphere, etc). Nothing is ever a 100% sure bet, but tomorrow is definitely in the category of having potential for high-end results like long-track violent tornadoes and larger than normal hail for the SE.

I hope the casual readers understand the point of my post. Nothing is ever certain, but there is good confidence in the potential tomorrow due to the low position, backing of winds, shear, advection of warm moisture air & high CAPE values and plenty of lift.

Even if Western or Central Alabama dodge a bullet... Eastern AL and Georgia would be under the gun. At this point from MS to GA you should prepare as if you expect a high-end event, power outages, etc. Find a storm shelter if you don't live in a home with a suitable basement.

An April Wednesday in Alabama, folks. We've danced this tune before...
 
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