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2025 Political Thread

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andyhb said:
That's all you have to say in light of what has happened the past 3 days?
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I didn't know people were waiting on my opinion.

I'll be honest - I haven't watched the video. I haven't had time to watch the video. Watching the video and forming an opinion isn't going to bring the lady back to life.

I'm not a fan of the aggressive tactics used by ICE in general (I'm more of an amnesty guy - integrate the otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants into our society - and that's really oversimplifying what I believe), but this is what happens when the can is kicked down the road until someone decides they have the answer and they act upon it.

I'm 54 years old and started paying attention to current events at a very young age. Immigration has never not been an issue as long as I've been paying attention. Presidents and other politicians could have done something about it long before Trump became president and long before the Republicans lost their collective spines and let Trump pull their puppet strings.
 
Mike S said:
FoxNews tends to be the one people want to talk about though.

All news is biased these days.
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Well yeah, because (especially during the current administration) Fox has existed solely to promote and defend Trump's and the ruling party's agenda. Not to mention the number of current and former Fox personnel who have served in his administrations.

De jure, it's a private corporation... but de facto, it functions almost identically to state-run media in other countries.

CNN functions essentially the same way, being the propaganda wing for the Democratic Party. It's just that the Democrats aren't the ruling party at the moment.
 


This is also blatantly a crime. Police officers are trained to never do something like this. One slip and that's another murder on their list.
 
Central Ohio Wx said:
Everything I've bolded is non-neutral
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Most of us, self included, usually stop at this point, unwilling to take the next step and admit that everything we human beings say or publish is not neutral. It can't be: we're not gods.

Taking that next step means having to look past our self-interest at that moment and think about something larger.

Frankly, indulging the self-interest gives a better dopamine high, but on the extremely rare occasions that I've looked at the "something larger," I have grown a little larger and more free as a human being.

That's just how the world works, how it has always worked, and no journalist will ever cover it because it lacks angles and might even be a career obstacle.

But there's little doubt in my mind, after these too-brief experiences, of which is better for each and every one of us.

Anyway, the really damnable journalistic slanting is what they leave out.

Not that it matters: Hell has reportedly frozen over:

 
andyhb said:
Police officers are trained to never do something like this. One slip and that's another murder on their list.
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Saw this on X tonight, from someone I never heard of but who is apparently an influential Democrat activist:

 
Bluesky was running slow yesterday, as it did with the first No-Kings rally. Presumably bsky was maxing out due to today's planned national protests.

Anyone who attends them east of the Mississippi deserves bonus points, given the national forecast.

I hope the protests are peaceful; otherwise, they will just play into the hands of the Internet Trolls in Meatspace With Teeth (And Guns) faction that has been in power now for almost a full year.

And if they are peaceful and number in the millions again -- what part of the People's House will Trump knock down in retaliation this time?
 
bjdeming said:
Most of us, self included, usually stop at this point, unwilling to take the next step and admit that everything we human beings say or publish is not neutral. It can't be: we're not gods.
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This is true. However, there is a difference between slight and blatant bias towards one side of the political spectrum. Fox falls more into the “blatant” side.
 
Something that's blatant on the social media I use is Bluesky's focus on the Minnesota tragedy and also on how X isn't safe for women (because of Grok) while ignoring, or possibly even unaware of, greater struggles for freedom and human dignity.

Meanwhile, I spent much of the morning on X reading about Iran -- despite its country shutting off the Internet (Musk and others are doing something with Starlink).

It's pretty much an invisible issue among the chardonnay set.

As for women ...



But reportedly Iran's protestors are losing hope. As Kasparov tweets:



Meanwhile, protests in Georgia (the country) have been ongoing for more than 400 days...
 
As for Minnesota...



Yes, that is fraught, scary (check out the follow-up video in the thread), and ugly on both sides, but nobody got killed; nobody got beaten, gassed, or otherwise injured; and AFAIK (not far), no laws were broken or property damaged.

Those Minnesotans are showing us all how to stand up to authoritarians who, well, frankly, need some peaceful standing up to.

As more and more of us exercise our rights and consciences by doing things like this, asking VERY relevant questions in public will once again become the norm, such as:

  • Why are those officers dressed for combat -- in a Target?
  • If they're going after gangsters, as they claim, not "soft" targets that can't fight back, why have there been no 1920's/30's-style shootouts reported?
  • If the gangs are a "police matter," then shouldn't federal officers, facing truly dangerous situations while enforcing federal laws, step back and let the police handle it and then follow up on the arrestees/survivors/convicts with federal charges?
  • If it's instead just politics and imagery, why is that woman dead? Why are we all endangered because they're pulling wildfire fighters off the line? Why are our economies impacted because non-white foreign countries must think twice about establishing factories in the US after that raid in Georgia (the state)?
  • Why did the Biden admin allow so many illegals in? To set this crackdown up and prove Frank Zappa right?

Just. So. Many. Questions. Fortunately for us, unlike the poor Iranians, we already have a solid democratic republican base, thanks to past generations, to ask them from, and government officials ignore such serious questions at their own political careers' risk.

But we must earn our places on that platform, as those Minnesotans did this weekend.
 


Holy f***** s***

Jerome Powell announcing he's under federal investigation essentially because he won't be coerced to follow Trump's agenda regarding interest rates. This country is literally collapsing in real time.
 


They are absolutely not caring whether a person is a citizen or not, as if there was any doubt. They are simply there to terrorize and, in some cases, brutalize people.
 
andyhb said:


They are absolutely not caring whether a person is a citizen or not, as if there was any doubt. They are simply there to terrorize and, in some cases, brutalize people.
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I can't see the embed but I'm assuming it's ICE-related - they never have cared. People come into this country completely legally and they racially profile before deporting. Simply looking Latinx is enough to get on their radar nowadays.

And now they've shot and murdered a white, female, U.S. citizen. If that isn't a giant alarm I don't know what is. Also, I think we need a 2026 political thread, shall I make one?
 
andyhb said:
This country is literally collapsing in real time.
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Let's hope it turns out "only" to be the final collapse of the Boomer era -- a loss in many ways, I say it who shouldn't, but the lifting of a terrible polarity that we've carried all our lives and a great weight, too.

The youngsters are tough enough to take it.



Central Ohio Wx said:
Latinx
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Ain't no such critter.

The day before New Year's Eve I went into the local Mexican grocery/bakery -- Corvallis is small, and we only have one currently -- for the first time since these horrors started up.

Everybody kind of tensed up a little, which hasn't happened on the few times I've been there before, but there was no hostility.

It was even worse to see that there was fear. :(

Then there was a test. The man behind the counter greeted me and asked me how I was doing. In Spanish.

It surprised me; I'm used to being ignored. Then words came (from my undisciplined but repeated attempts to learn Spanish over the years). Spanish words and I said them.

Everybody relaxed, including me. As a matter of fact, the man at the counter and I had a good conversation, half in Spanish, half in English. His English was fluent and not accented, unlike my Spanish, and he was considerate enough to slow down the Spanish enough for me to follow.
Well, it was fun. My point is, we bridge hearts by following the culture. Groups of Latinos get the male word ending; Latinas are fine with that because they rule. And the men know it.

"LatinX" just doesn't exist and never will.

(After that enjoyable experience, FWIW, I've gotten the Wlingua app and am working my way up to a confidence level where I can start chatting online, probably in the comments sections of various Latin American volcanoes.)


Meanwhile, in Greenland ...

 
bjdeming said:
"LatinX" just doesn't exist and never will.
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It's a gender-neutral term (notably in the LGBTQ+ community). Is it actually used often? Not at all, and nor is it particularly welcomed - but it does exist. I still think it's better than the alternative "latin@", although I guess "latine" would work. It's more of a statement than an actual word, as Spanish is inherently gendered.
 


Holy s*** again.
 
Trump just said help is on the way to the protestors in Iran and cancelled meetings with Iranian officials. Are we about to bomb parts of Iran? Unofficial death totals are 3000 in Iran. Official is 2000.

Americans are being told to "leave Iran now"
 
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UncleJuJu98 said:
Trump just said help is on the way to the protestors in Iran and cancelled meetings with Iranian officials. Are we about to bomb parts of Iran? Unofficial death totals are 3000 in Iran. Official is 2000.

Americans are being told to "leave Iran now"
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Normally I'm against any U.S. intervention with what goes on inside of the Middle East (the sole exception being our intervention in ISIS operations; that was necessary as they are a major threat globally). I'm conflicted on whether I'd support very limited strikes, however - Iran is an extremely volatile state and has a history of crap-starting as well as violent repression, but their allies (Russia and China) might launch a counterattack on their behalf. Iran is currently imploding, so it isn't like they'd be able to fire anything back our way if we do decide to go that route.
 
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