Central Ohio Wx
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I'm looking at the November 1990 edition and I don't see any mention of it anywhere, what date did it happen?
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Significant Tornado Events
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SweptSlab5
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I believe it was in his book called "The tornado, Natures Ultimate windstorm" Otherwise I think its listed in the tornado watches and warnings chapter of the 1680-1991 book.
Central Ohio Wx
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I've got a friend who has the 1680-1991 book (I wouldn't spend that much money if you forced me to); I'll ask him about it when I get back home.
And welcome! It's been quiet for a bit but things usually pick back up in February or March.
SweptSlab5
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It was the September 13 outbreak in 1928, I believe it was near the "Schoolhouse tornado which swept 3 schools away"
SweptSlab5
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I got the 1680-1991 book really cheap on Ebay. I had been looking for a while and it was miracle find.
Central Ohio Wx
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Christopher Robert
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WOW! First time hearing about this event. From reading I get the impression of a very violent tornado. The stories of those who survived are incredible as well.
Remarkable September event for Nebraska!
SweptSlab5
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This is grazulis’ entry for the 1928 tornado. He rates it F4. I believe the tornado I was talking about may have been separate from this one, however.
WeathermanLeprechaun
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So absurd that the teacher still held the doorknob while being unfortunately deceased. Some of these occurrences are very unusual. Such a shame that two children died as a result of this.....
Nebraska can have some sneaky second season events like this, pre-1950, summer events were pretty anomalous and more active from what I've seen across the US.
SweptSlab5
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Grazulis goes into more detail on the tornado in his 2001 book. Sorry for bad photo quality, the book is sort of worn down.
Ivanthetornadoenthusiast
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It would be the June 16th, 1928 Greensburg F2 if i remember correctly
SweptSlab5
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Yes! That is the tornado! I found where he talks about it in his 2001 book!
Christopher Robert
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Central Ohio Wx
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Question - would the 1981 Moerdijk FU tornado (was never given a rating, but did "only minor damage to homes") be considered the deadliest F0 or F1-intensity tornado in history? The "Whipporwill Disaster" is usually credited with that (F1 caused 16 deaths, all in a boat) but the Moerdijk tornado killed 17 in a plane crash.
WeathermanLeprechaun
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I seen a poll earlier today on YT regarding if Enderlin or Vilonia was stronger. I picked Vilonia, but surprisingly, many seem to believe it's Enderlin and there's nothing wrong with that. The case of this however is someone responded to a comment i made that Vilonia doesn't have a specific calculation whereas Enderlin does and many seem to have went with this same thinking.
Can Vilonia roll or loft trees/houses. Do we have specific measurements to the width, length, size like the train car did? We don't. It's a pretty interesting counterpoint but you're comparing houses with a limit to how much wind they can resist towards a train car with many subtle aspects and lots of informations to go off in order to do a rare non traditional analysis of the winds needed. Not often we see a case like Enderlin, but this type of reasoning just can't work imo. Is anyone aware of Vilonia having some particular feat with a object though? Lots say it didn't, but just curious if someone with a bit more detail on the tornado would have information on it. This poll was the reason why i asked the question, the other stuff is more a sidenote/my opinion on that whole reasoning and etc. That may belong in the debate thread though.
Can Vilonia roll or loft trees/houses. Do we have specific measurements to the width, length, size like the train car did? We don't. It's a pretty interesting counterpoint but you're comparing houses with a limit to how much wind they can resist towards a train car with many subtle aspects and lots of informations to go off in order to do a rare non traditional analysis of the winds needed. Not often we see a case like Enderlin, but this type of reasoning just can't work imo. Is anyone aware of Vilonia having some particular feat with a object though? Lots say it didn't, but just curious if someone with a bit more detail on the tornado would have information on it. This poll was the reason why i asked the question, the other stuff is more a sidenote/my opinion on that whole reasoning and etc. That may belong in the debate thread though.
slenker
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Not sure why people are saying it did not - Vilonia 2014 tossed a 13,607 kg (29,998 lb) fertilizer tank three quarters of a mile - unsure about ground contact but that's pretty remarkable with or without it. I'm of the opinion that it was stronger than Enderlin, and pretty solidly so. I'd put it amongst some of the stronger 4/27/11 tornadoes, honestly.
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SweptSlab5
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I believe that those deaths were not officially attributed to the tornado, although they should have been.
Central Ohio Wx
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I'd want to see calculations for that before saying it was stronger. While it is impressive, ground contact could've made that much easier, and we don't have a defined windspeed range of what could do that. For people who don't want to download the .pdf, here's what it looked like:
Appears to have been empty and of a different material than the cars.
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slenker
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Entirely valid point. However, in Vilonia, imagery of the home and tree damage shows a violent core that is more impressive than what I saw in Enderlin, at least to me. It’s splitting hairs though because Vilonia had much more debris to work with. This is entirely subjective by me and I’m all ears when it comes to hearing the other side of the argument.
Central Ohio Wx
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Oh, 100%. Windrowing generally makes the path much more visible, and that's what happened with Vilonia. Enderlin couldn't produce a defineable debris path because there was nothing to hit. It's similar to mudblasting (this concept was only recently introduced iirc) and debris-loaded sandpapering - certain aspects of environment-influenced damage from a tornado can appear to exaggerate it's intensity.