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Significant Tornado Events
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slenker
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Is it fair to say that Vilonia was every bit as powerful as many of the violent tornadoes from 4/27/11? The damage imagery I see from Vilonia is always supremely impressive to me, and really does remind me of damage from Ringgold, Tuscaloosa, or Rainsville. It’s especially odd to me that 4/27/14 was full of far less powerful tornadoes than 4/27/11, yet contained that monster.
I would definitely agree it was on par with some of the tornados you listed from that day.
joshoctober16
Member
when i hear the boiling cloud on the ground , in my mind sounds more like a pyroclastic flow.
i say this because there was one of the cope landspouts (might be a hybrid) that turned into a strange downwards pyroclastic tumbling boiling look
look at the left one at 0:30 to 0:38
heck bridge creek 1999 did this when it went from wedge to stovepipe in bridge creek.
at 6:30 to 7:30 , harder to see since its lower quality and fuzzy looking.
joshoctober16
Member
Tri state 1925 from what i can see was 3 main tornadoes along with some satellites or twins during the main EF5
at its max width was likely over 2+ mile wide
there were momments of what appears to be twin violent tornadoes that seem to merge into one , similar to el reno 2011
can find a lot of damage points of swept clean with spots of light damage in the middle , tri state did a lot of cycloidal like path changes , this could sometimes be seen with the hackelburg tornado near tanner , and el reno 2011.
at its max width was likely over 2+ mile wide
there were momments of what appears to be twin violent tornadoes that seem to merge into one , similar to el reno 2011
can find a lot of damage points of swept clean with spots of light damage in the middle , tri state did a lot of cycloidal like path changes , this could sometimes be seen with the hackelburg tornado near tanner , and el reno 2011.
Central Ohio Wx
Member
Wait, could I get that kmz too? I could probably use it for the Wikipedia article lol
joshoctober16
Member
my tri state survey isn't finish yet.
I have a kmz for the full damage path with 5,200 damage points. Josh is actually using mine albeit an outdated version.
I can send you the updated kmz file on discord if you like. I also have a link to a sharepoint.
Google Earth
To anyone who wants it. Here is the sharepoint to the google earth link of the damage path. It has 5,200 placements. It may take time to load.
Aaron Rider
Member
I've heard people refer to any of Jarrell, Bridge Creek, Moore, Smithville or whatever as THE tornado. Let me tell them something: if there was THE tornado, it is the Tri-State Tornado.
Central Ohio Wx
Member
Honestly, and this is an extremely hot take, Jarrell is somewhat overrated from my research. F5 winds at 7-15 miles per hour are of course going to do incredible damage, which is why it’s a lot harder to believe it’s one of the strongest ever. IMO it’s either Smithville or Tri-State, the former being so violent it almost ripped itself to shreds.
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Aaron Rider
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Yeah. I always favor Tri-state because of preposterous violence sustained over an extraordinary distance.
What I like about Jarrell and Loyal Valley are the extremely strange origins.
EH, I Feel like Jarrell is sort of being too underrated right now, it was moving at around 15 mph in Double Creek, which is far from stalling and isnt THAT much slower than say Moore 2013. But also as we see here Jarrell was producing near double creek like damage well before it got that slow. Definitely the worst damage I have ever seen, wouldn't call it my personal strongest though.,
Yeah tri-state's violence combined with its speed are extraordinary. That on top of the fact it too had some of the worst damage on record.
Aaron Rider
Member
Thank goodness! I'm very excited. As a Pennsylvanian no less.
slenker
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Jarrell is perfectly rated IMO. I feel like there’s been enough cases of slow moving monsters doing damage that is violent, yet still nothing compared to what Jarrell did (Bowdle 2010 is a good example). I would definitely call it at least a mid-tier F5 at worst, and I wouldn’t go any lower than that. I am definitely more on the side that it was an extremely high-end F5 and I’d put it in my top 5 for sure.
As for being stronger than Smithville, El Reno 2011, or Bridge Creek? No. Both moved far quicker and did very similar levels of violent damage. But the breadth of F5 damage in Jarrell was absolutely unparalleled, and IIRC it’s the only one that did F5 damage over a contour that exceeded hundreds of yards rather than only 30-40 yards. To me, that points to extremely violent winds in the core, and F5 winds being so far outside the true core are really telling to me about the violence of this beast.
Tri State is a tornado that I wouldn’t rate purely because of the fact that it happened so long ago, and I don’t know enough about it, but I do admit the damage is up there with the ones I listed that beat Jarrell in my opinion. That image of the peach (or was it another fruit?) tree grove being fully debarked and denuded was absolutely ludicrous.
EDIT: Also the fact that Tri-State was moving at 70+ mph at multiple points throughout its life and managing to do what it did… pretty absurd. Forgot to mention that @Aaron Rider
As for being stronger than Smithville, El Reno 2011, or Bridge Creek? No. Both moved far quicker and did very similar levels of violent damage. But the breadth of F5 damage in Jarrell was absolutely unparalleled, and IIRC it’s the only one that did F5 damage over a contour that exceeded hundreds of yards rather than only 30-40 yards. To me, that points to extremely violent winds in the core, and F5 winds being so far outside the true core are really telling to me about the violence of this beast.
Tri State is a tornado that I wouldn’t rate purely because of the fact that it happened so long ago, and I don’t know enough about it, but I do admit the damage is up there with the ones I listed that beat Jarrell in my opinion. That image of the peach (or was it another fruit?) tree grove being fully debarked and denuded was absolutely ludicrous.
EDIT: Also the fact that Tri-State was moving at 70+ mph at multiple points throughout its life and managing to do what it did… pretty absurd. Forgot to mention that @Aaron Rider
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Aaron Rider
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And, of course, Tri State was booking it faster than the average "high ball" freight train of the era.