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2025 Political Thread

Anti Marine Layer said:
My mother fled from communism in Czechoslovakia and found America to be a paradise, but today she says we're headed in the same direction towards what she escaped. It's a slow process of course.

Anyway, according to the video, some of the money sent to Ukraine for the war was used to build new ski resorts.
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Curious if your mother would’ve felt the same if she had been deported.
 
andyhb said:
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Way too much stupid sniping back and forth in here when things like this are happening.
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First thing I noticed when I read this is it was posted by Brian Tyler Cohen, so I knew I'd need to go find the full quote. Sure enough, paints a little bit of a different picture. Lutnick makes an out of touch comment, but that tweet (or whatever you call it from BlueSky) is exactly the type of propaganda that the media does today. Takes a snippet of truth, interjects an additional word to change the context (seniors "shouldn't" call), then pushes it out to the masses.

Here's the video of the part of the interview that this is referring to. That comment about older Americans is out of touch because people that need it to make ends meat are going to call and scream, but this video paints an entirely different picture of what he's trying to say than that screenshot you posted.

 
maroonedinhsv said:
Curious if your mother would’ve felt the same if she had been deported.
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She entered the country legally and supports the deportation efforts. Even 50% of Hispanics do.

The Democrats want the criminals here as did that judge who tried to turn back the plane with the Venezuelan gang members. It's the only way they can get their votes. It also requires more big government to control them, and the Democrats want that too.
 
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UpperLevelLOL said:
We used to be about “give me your tired, your poor, your hungry.” Now we’re kicking out refugees. Just profoundly anti-American and anti-Christian.

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Ah yes, anti-Christian to revoke the status of *checks notes* temporary parolee foreign nationals.

Curious, do you live by all of Christ's teachings or do you pick and choose certain things to pick at political opponents about?
 
Jacob said:
Ah yes, anti-Christian to revoke the status of *checks notes* temporary parolee foreign nationals.

Curious, do you live by all of Christ's teachings or do you pick and choose certain things to pick at political opponents about?
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Christ was a refugee. Throughout the Bible we are compelled consistently to love our neighbor and not mistreat a foreigner. Pretty basic, Sunday-school level teachings. I can’t recall anything in the New Testament that advocates for kicking vulnerable folks out of the community.
 
UpperLevelLOL said:
Christ was a refugee. Throughout the Bible we are compelled consistently to love our neighbor and not mistreat a foreigner. Pretty basic, Sunday-school level teachings. I can’t recall anything in the New Testament that advocates for kicking vulnerable folks out of the community.
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I feel for innocent people that get caught up in political bullcrap. This is a simple undoing of a very poor policy from the previous administration, but like most things in life people get caught in the crossfire.

Are you a practicing Christian? Just genuinely curious because of how things are perceived/interpreted when taking religious aspects into account.
 
Jacob said:
I feel for innocent people that get caught up in political bullcrap. This is a simple undoing of a very poor policy from the previous administration, but like most things in life people get caught in the crossfire.

Are you a practicing Christian? Just genuinely curious because of how things are perceived/interpreted when taking religious aspects into account.
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Yep, been one my whole life. And to answer your earlier question, neither party in our system has a monopoly on being “the Christian party.” However, right now one party is in power, and is using that power in ways that run profoundly counter to Christ’s call to use our power and presence to love our neighbor, help the poor, welcome the foreigner, and treat others how we want to be treated.
 
UpperLevelLOL said:
Yep, been one my whole life. And to answer your earlier question, neither party in our system has a monopoly on being “the Christian party.” However, right now one party is in power, and is using that power in ways that run profoundly counter to Christ’s call to use our power and presence to love our neighbor, help the poor, welcome the foreigner, and treat others how we want to be treated.
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Glad to hear it. We will disagree on politics, and apparently theology, but I’m glad to hear that aren’t using Jesus simply as a political weapon. I take back my question in my first response to you, as its clear that wasn’t what you were doing.

Your use of Christ as a refugee, as it relates to the current political climate, is far from something that all, or even the majority, of Christians believe.
 
Jacob said:
Glad to hear it. We will disagree on politics, and apparently theology, but I’m glad to hear that aren’t using Jesus simply as a political weapon. I take back my question in my first response to you, as its clear that wasn’t what you were doing.

Your use of Christ as a refugee, as it relates to the current political climate, is far from something that all, or even the majority, of Christians believe.
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…He was literally a refugee though? I don’t think I’m out of line with most Christians when I believe that part of the Christmas story and Jesus’ early years.
 
UpperLevelLOL said:
…He was literally a refugee though? I don’t think I’m out of line with most Christians when I believe that part of the Christmas story and Jesus’ early years.
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This article explains it more eloquently than I could in a paragraph or two here. I don’t expect you to agree with me just because I posted an article, but I hope you can understand where many of us that disagree are coming from.

In the current political sense, no, Jesus wasn’t a refugee.

sovereignnations.com

Jesus Was Not A Refugee

Biblical Reflections from Diverse Christians on theology, the church, counseling, family life, politics, and everything in between.
sovereignnations.com sovereignnations.com
 
Appreciate the article, but I do differ with his interpretations. Countries weren’t sovereign in the modern sense until 1648, so there is definitely some discussion to be had about the meaning of crossing borders, etc. The broader picture is though that Christ compels us to love our neighbor, the vulnerable, the poor, and calls out leaders who use their power to mistreat those on the margins.
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
She entered the country legally and supports the deportation efforts. Even 50% of Hispanics do.

The Democrats want the criminals here as did that judge who tried to turn back the plane with the Venezuelan gang members. It's the only way they can get their votes. It also requires more big government to control them, and the Democrats want that too.
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Some of those being deported (and those being considered for deportation) entered the country legally also. You may not agree with the law, but it was legal.
 
The fiery but mostly peaceful Tesla protests are not doing anything to help the Democrats. Not long ago having a Tesla was a virtue signal, but they have now proven it's not really about climate change.

mynorthwest.com

Democratic Party approval rating hits record low

Two national polls found a troubling trend for left-leaning voters -- the approval rating for the Democratic Party has reached record lows.
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maroonedinhsv said:
Some of those being deported (and those being considered for deportation) entered the country legally also. You may not agree with the law, but it was legal.
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I'm not sure who the legal ones are, but maybe they're here on green cards or false claims of asylum or (not so) temporary protected status, or maybe they have committed crimes.

Some of the ones who are descendants of the Marxists who brought the Frankfurt School to America after they got booted out of Germany by Hitler may be here legally too, but they hate America and can't stand the fact that their Wokeshevik cultural revolution is being hampered by Trump and Musk (who used to be revered by the left).
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
I'm not sure who the legal ones are, but maybe they're here on green cards or false claims of asylum or (not so) temporary protected status, or maybe they have committed crimes.

Some of the ones who are descendants of the Marxists who brought the Frankfurt School to America after they got booted out of Germany by Hitler may be here legally too, but they hate America and can't stand the fact that their Wokeshevik cultural revolution is being hampered by Trump and Musk (who used to be revered by the left).
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If you don’t know about the legal immigrants being deported, you aren’t very informed on Trump’s actions.
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
I'm not sure who the legal ones are, but maybe they're here on green cards or false claims of asylum or (not so) temporary protected status, or maybe they have committed crimes.

Some of the ones who are descendants of the Marxists who brought the Frankfurt School to America after they got booted out of Germany by Hitler may be here legally too, but they hate America and can't stand the fact that their Wokeshevik cultural revolution is being hampered by Trump and Musk (who used to be revered by the left).
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Do you have any examples of actual individuals who fit this mould, or is your fake grievance and paranoia making you construct yet another fictitious person to be mad at?
 
UpperLevelLOL said:
Do you have any examples of actual individuals who fit this mould, or is your fake grievance and paranoia making you construct yet another fictitious person to be mad at?
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He has a point. If I understood his post correctly, anyone who is a descendant of a Marxist is automatically a Marxist themselves. In the same way that my Italian ancestry automatically makes me a fascist because of Benito Mussolini. It's just common sense.
 
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