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Significant Tornado Events

Not to derail anything but all this talk about Keota has made me think about Pilger NE 2014!! I was digging around youtube and found some AMAZING shots of Pilger from the air, which was taken by the Nebraska EMS. You can see the absurd amount of cycloidal marks as it hit the town, along with evident debris rowing. Makes you wonder how truly strong either tornado was..

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NewFoundWeatherNerd said:
Not to derail anything but all this talk about Keota has made me think about Pilger NE 2014!! I was digging around youtube and found some AMAZING shots of Pilger from the air, which was taken by the Nebraska EMS. You can see the absurd amount of cycloidal marks as it hit the town, along with evident debris rowing. Makes you wonder how truly strong either tornado was..

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That event very likely had 3 EF5-level tornadoes, including both twins. Much of the damage caused by the main Pilger tornado was extremely violent, both within the town and to farmsteads.

Here’s aerials of damage outside of town, entire farmsteads were essentially wiped cleanly away with remarkable tree damage.
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Heres damage within Pilger.
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Contextual, vehicle, and vegetation damage of this caliber is often consistent with EF5 intensity.
 
Ah yes, Pilger day, the start of nearly 9 years of maddening near misses of spectacular tornado intercepts for me that would continue until Keota day. Although I am glad that for my first violent tornado intercept, for as intense as it was Keota was relatively low-impact and didn't kill anyone. Would have been a different story had it tracked just one or two hundred yards to the east.
 
Western_KS_Wx said:
That event very likely had 3 EF5-level tornadoes, including both twins. Much of the damage caused by the main Pilger tornado was extremely violent, both within the town and to farmsteads.

Here’s aerials of damage outside of town, entire farmsteads were essentially wiped cleanly away with remarkable tree damage.
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Heres damage within Pilger.
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Contextual, vehicle, and vegetation damage of this caliber is often consistent with EF5 intensity.
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I am genuinely confused as to why this wasn’t rated EF5. I am still convinced Stanton was the most violent of the day. The contextual damage from the tornado was SCREAMING EF5.
 
AJS said:
I am genuinely confused as to why this wasn’t rated EF5. I am still convinced Stanton was the most violent of the day. The contextual damage from the tornado was SCREAMING EF5.
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i remember NWS pilger's old page stating one tornado almost got rated EF5 (page no longer works) but they didn't rate it because a whole car crashed into the home, i am not sure what tornado out of the 4 it was but it shows one did came close.
 
Western_KS_Wx said:
That event very likely had 3 EF5-level tornadoes, including both twins. Much of the damage caused by the main Pilger tornado was extremely violent, both within the town and to farmsteads.

Here’s aerials of damage outside of town, entire farmsteads were essentially wiped cleanly away with remarkable tree damage.
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Heres damage within Pilger.
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Contextual, vehicle, and vegetation damage of this caliber is often consistent with EF5 intensity.
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The vintage cars being hit hurts my soul to a strong degree. But yea, fully agreed; these two (plus Wakefield) were EXTREMELY violent. Such a spectacularly strange day; I adore Convective Chronicles analysis on it. 1737732030789.png
 
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Not sure if they have been posted before. Found a series of damage photos from the November 2013 Washington, IL EF4 on the Flickr page of a railfan who is local to the area.

Bottom of page 7, top of page 8.

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Not sure if they have been posted before. Found a series of damage photos from the November 2013 Washington, IL EF4 on the Flickr page of a railfan who is local to the area.

Bottom of page 7, top of page 8.

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I genuinely think this is one of the more underrated EF5 candidates out there.
 
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Not sure if they have been posted before. Found a series of damage photos from the November 2013 Washington, IL EF4 on the Flickr page of a railfan who is local to the area.

Bottom of page 7, top of page 8.

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I know a bunch of damage photos have been avaliable of the damage found in Washington, but I have found it rather difficult to find damage photos past Washington where it has been rumored to have peaked in strength.
 
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I genuinely think this is one of the more underrated EF5 candidates out there.
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shouldn't the most underrated EF5 candidate be any that only got rated EF0-EF3?

cause if its the case i would say its more these ones

  1. Wren EF3+ April 2011
  2. Hopewell - Macksville EF3+ May 2007
  3. Barnesville EF3+ April 2011
  4. Cisco EF3 May 2015
  5. Columbus F2 June 1998
  6. Westminster F3 May 2006
  7. Metador EF3+ June 2023
its to note that one of the 3 big EF3 after Greensburg EF5 was supposed to be rated EF4 but this error was never corrected in the same vane as one of the tanner F5 being listed as a F5 when it was infact a error as well.
 
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joshoctober16 said:
shouldn't the most underrated EF5 candidate be any that only got rated EF0-EF3?

cause if its the case i would say its more these ones

  1. Wren EF3+ April 2011
  2. Hopewell - Macksville EF3+ May 2007
  3. Barnesville EF3+ April 2011
  4. Cisco EF3 May 2015
  5. Columbus F2 June 1998
  6. Westminster F3 May 2006
  7. Metador EF3+ June 2023
its to note that one of the 3 big EF3 after Greensburg EF5 was supposed to be rated EF4 but this error was never corrected in the same vane as one of the tanner F5 being listed as a F5 when it was infact a error as well.
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I completely forgot about Matador. To this day, I am genuinely still so dumbfounded and confused as to why that tornado was not at least rated EF4. The contextual damage was literally SCREAMING “ Violent Tornado “
 
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I completely forgot about Matador. To this day, I am genuinely still so dumbfounded and confused as to why that tornado was not at least rated EF4. The contextual damage was literally SCREAMING “ Violent Tornado “
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personally these ratings would fit better
Wren EF3+ April 2011: 204-205 MPH EF5 (clear EF5)
Hopewell - Macksville EF3+ May 2007: 200-202 MPH EF4-EF5 (Likely EF5)
Barnesville EF3+ April 2011: 200 MPH EF4+ (clear EF4 damage , a lot of contextual EF5 damage)
Cisco EF3 May 2015: 170-171 MPH EF4 (ground scouring, tree debarkation and cars thrown 1+ mile away, very violent motion and very loud roar)
Columbus F2 June 1998: 145-197 MPH EF3-EF4+ (base on aerial images it caused ground scouring and major forest damage however the EF4 damage can only work for the new EF scale, very violent motion and very loud roar)
Westminster F3 May 2006: 195-197 MPH EF4+ (major scouring and granulation of debris)
Metador EF3+ June 2023: 174-175 MPH EF4 (so much contextual along with some homes likely having EF4 damage)
 
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joshoctober16 said:
personally these ratings would fit better
Wren EF3+ April 2011: 204-205 MPH EF5 (clear EF5)
Hopewell - Macksville EF3+ May 2007: 200-202 MPH EF4-EF5 (Likely EF5)
Barnesville EF3+ April 2011: 200 MPH EF4+ (clear EF4 damage , a lot of contextual EF5 damage)
Cisco EF3 May 2015: 170-171 MPH EF4 (ground scouring, tree debarkation and cars thrown 1+ mile away, very violent motion and very loud roar)
Columbus F2 June 1998: 145-197 MPH EF3-EF4+ (base on aerial images it caused ground scouring and major forest damage however the EF4 damage can only work for the new EF scale, very violent motion and very loud roar)
Westminster F3 May 2006: 195-197 MPH EF4+ (major scouring and granulation of debris)
Metador EF3+ June 2023: 174-175 MPH EF4 (so much contextual along with some homes likely having EF4 damage)
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Could not agree more. I do agree with the wind speed estimate for Matador due to the poor construction in the area, however, the contextual damage in my opinion paints a lot of confidence and certainty it probably reached EF5 strength. Same thing with Bremen, KY.
 
AJS said:
Could not agree more. I do agree with the wind speed estimate for Matador due to the poor construction in the area, however, the contextual damage in my opinion paints a lot of confidence and certainty it probably reached EF5 strength. Same thing with Bremen, KY.
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oh and for metador we both forgot about how it did clear EF4 damage to trees

also here is the scouring mark from the westminster F3

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AJS said:
I completely forgot about Matador. To this day, I am genuinely still so dumbfounded and confused as to why that tornado was not at least rated EF4. The contextual damage was literally SCREAMING “ Violent Tornado “
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Ive done some extensive digging on the Matador tornado: that thing was a MONSTER. Ripped engines straight out of vehicles at least twice, granulated and deposited a large swath of materials, and potently lofted vehicles hundreds of yards. Ive archived just about every YouTube video I could find surrounding it; heres some stuff from that playlist:
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These are two separate vehicle engines

Tornado still on the ground with Matador's famous oil rig restaurant in the foreground
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These big, monstrous wedges captivate me so much; truly, so many questions surround them in my view.

Columbus NE 1998 VS Dougherty TX 1995
Does anyone have any information surrounding the Dougherty tornado? It wasn't surveyed too well and is barely a footnote on TornadoArchive; but looking at it, it had to have been a incredible sight to behold, clearly very strong. That photo in particular was taken by Alan Moller; found on ResearchGate
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