Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Damage pics from Moshannon State Forest tornado, majority found on newspapers.com and available on the TornadoTalk article and some maybe already available on StormStalker:
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Significant Tornado Events
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Juliett Bravo Kilo
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Damn. What year was this?
Juliett Bravo Kilo
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tornadowatch211
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1985. Some more from that KTA Hike webpage. Im pretty sure these arent on TornadoTalks article, These first three really show how widespread the devastation was. You can see tree after tree snapped and/or debarked:
These next four are weaker, likely from the edge of the damage path:
Uprooted and snapped trees:
Edit: Found more, Another view of that cabin, you can kinda see how the trees protected it against the ferocious winds:
Some uprooted trees:
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Catdadchaser
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Catdadchaser
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Brand new here. I remember this day well. It was a Friday, the last day of being a junior in high school. That night my oldest sister was graduating 8th grade. even going into the school that night, it was still hot and windy. It seemed strange. I read that the system was originally expected to hit Northwest Ohio, where I live. Because of the heat that morning on my arrival at school, I barely cracked the window on my car, when I came out after school, the dark maroon interior of my car was covered in dust, that's how windy the day was
Catdadchaser
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If anyone is interested, I heavily study the 1974 Super Outbreak. There were tornadoes all around me that night, and I go to Xenia a lot to research that storm, since I only live 3-4 hours from there
AJS
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Share away!
AJS
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Truly remarkable finds.
Ivanthetornadoenthusiast
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@Juliett Bravo Kilo
Do you have any damage pics from Kiro/Elmont tornado of June 5th, 1917
Do you have any damage pics from Kiro/Elmont tornado of June 5th, 1917
Catdadchaser
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I have seen some on here question the Xenia rating. I have a friend whose house was about one block away from the tornado, in the Arrowhead/Windsor Park area. After the tornado passed, they notice a hole the size of a basketball in the bathroom ceiling (where the were hiding), made by a purple wash cloth. They didn't have any purple cloths, and they don't know where it came from. Also, the tornado hit a moving Penn Central train going through the Main St. (US 35) crossing, knocking iirc, 6 cars carrying 30 brand new Ford Mustangs, throwing some of the train cars into the Kroger parking lot. I wont tell you what I have read about the condition of some of the bodies. A State Trooper stationed at one of the temporary morgues thought he could handle seeing the bodies after some of the wrecks that he handled. After looking at a couple of the bodies, he couldn't look at anymore because of the condition. One had a brick embedded in its forehead...
Sawmaster
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On trees shielding from winds, yes absolutely. That's my situation where I live in a dense old-growth hardwood forest. When 'Helene' ripped through here official estimates were 60 MPH but myself and several others with Skywarn training who have always been accurate think it was closer to 70 in this area which would have positively blown my camper and me away- yet it didn't. One the ground here what I saw was somewhere like 45- 50 MPH gusts at worst. Now once the trees are gone it's a different story and some of them will have impacted whatever is left standing. This phenomena of 'shielding' is one of my biggest beefs with using contextuals to de-rate surveys (but let's not derail this thread discussing that aspect here please).
Another point here with the cabin is it's construction. This was built in the Depression by the CCC and much of what was built in that program remains in remarkable shape over 85 years later. That program wasn't meant to just give jobs to the unemployed, but to teach them a skilled trade and many of the 'teachers' were old-world craftsmen who really understood what their business was. They built to the highest standard possible given the constraints of having to use local materials and the technology available to them at the time. In many natural disasters newer work gets washed or blown away while the CCC work survives well. I'd rank that cabin somewhere equal to an extremely well-built home as far as wind resistance in the walls, though today's roofs are far better. It's still remarkable that it was left in this condition given the damage around it.
Aaron Rider
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Here's a great blog post about it by a member here: https://stormstalker.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/may-31-1985-the-united-states-canada-outbreak/
here's a good video about this legendary and endlessly unique outbreak
Aaron Rider
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A buddy of mine works for DCNR somewhere up in that part of Pennsylvania. I told him he'll never, ever have as much work to do as DCNR did after this!!
BayouWeatherGeek
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Today marks nineteen years since a deadly nighttime tornado traveled 41 miles from Smith Mills, KY through the southern portions of Evansville, IN, hitting a mobile home park and killing 20 people before dissipating near Gentryville, IN. The tornado crossed the Ohio River three times on its 41.3-mile path moving at times at 60 miles-per-hour. Ultimately the storm was responsible for 25 fatalities and 230+ injuries and is a prime example of just how dangerous nighttime tornadoes can be even with the advances and warning systems and communications.
Here's the Tornado Talk article on the tornado: https://www.tornadotalk.com/evansville-area-f3-tornado-november-6-2005/
Here's some photos of the damage below along with the only photo of the tornado itself taken by a webcam at Deaconess Hospital.
Here's the Tornado Talk article on the tornado: https://www.tornadotalk.com/evansville-area-f3-tornado-november-6-2005/
Here's some photos of the damage below along with the only photo of the tornado itself taken by a webcam at Deaconess Hospital.
Catdadchaser
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Question...when I was a kid, probably back in the late '70's, I remember hearing about a tornado occurring, I believe out west, that came with apparently no hint of any bad weather. I have been searching for years, but cannot find anything about it. I am presently watching a 1980 episode of Quincy, and he briefly referenced it. Does anyone on here know what I am talking about?
Catdadchaser
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One thing about Xenia that I don't know how many know about, it threw a school bus onto a high school stage where students were rehearsing a play just moments before
Catdadchaser
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Thats in Indiana. I just cant remember which one. I have read that there are no nown pics of the Brandenburg tornado
tornadotrx
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This is an incredibly old post but I wanted to give some insight!
From what I've gathered, the NWS actually really wanted, or at least implied they wanted to give this one a higher rating. I spoke with some people internally, including the MIC for Lubbock, who expressed how limited their resources were when actually analyzing the event, and how hopefully a revision of scale will include external measurements and remote sensing to aid in ratings.
It's interesting to note there are some unwritten rules about tornado damage ratings. I initially was confused why Matador was not rated EF4 based on tree damage (DOD 5 Hardwood UB (167 MPH). It seems though, tornadoes are unable to have EF4 tree damage rated unless a structure also supports that rating, pretty interesting. Tim Marshall was part of the survey team for Matador, he had comments to say too, such as that some homes "had sporadic bolting of plate. Some bolts had nuts and washers while others did not." Which would put essentially every structure at a LB (Lower bound) DI.
The biggest head scratcher (and is still so even after talking to as many people as I could) is that the Dollar General in matador was completely flattened and mangled, in similar fashion to the Dollar General in Marietta, OK rated EF4 this year, and other dollar stores like in Rolling Fork, MS. Tim Marshall even commented "Bolt securing column base plate was pulled out of the concrete foundation. Also note the grass packing indicating winds were still quite strong after the building failed." So I really have no clue why this was overlooked as an EF4 DI. Who knows. Glad people in here found the video helpful.
