Severe Weather 2023

[TH2002]

Yeah I have to agree now that Matador is pretty much in "contextual EF5" territory, but there hasn't been one of those since Rainsville.

 

[pohnpei]

Yeah I have to agree now that Matador is pretty much in "contextual EF5" territory, but there hasn't been one of those since Rainsville.

El Reno 11 was also rated by unregular DI and contexual along with raxpol radar data. There wasn't any house rated EF5 along path. Btw, there were lots of houses on its path were swept away, some without any significant debris nearby. But we don't know the details of construction by now.

 

[atrainguy]

I noticed that shots from around the Dollar General, including the aerial shot in this post, show the ground being really muddy and seemingly stripped of grass on both sides of the road around the destroyed structures. Is that from vehicles, or was that actually heavy ground scouring?

 

[KCweatherboy]

Some damage details from DG, parking lot was removed and broken, concrete pillars was broken near ground level.
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Those concrete bollards being snapped and blown over is wild. I've never seen that before

 

[Steel Central]

interpret this how you will

 

[pohnpei]

I noticed that shots from around the Dollar General, including the aerial shot in this post, show the ground being really muddy and seemingly stripped of grass on both sides of the road around the destroyed structures. Is that from vehicles, or was that actually heavy ground scouring?

There was actual strong ground scouring there and other places in its life

You can also tell from many muddy vehicles

 

[atrainguy]

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interpret this how you will

Pardon my ignorance, but what's a QRT and what's the implications of this?

 

[tornado examiner]

So is it safe to say that this was likely the strongest plains tornado in quite awhile?

 

[pohnpei]

So is it safe to say that this was likely the strongest plains tornado in quite awhile?

tbh, damage wise, I think it's not weaker than any tornado in plain since Moore 2013, including Chapman and Pilger. It's pretty interesting to me that why the tds height of this tornado was that low(6-7kft). I can't think of any case similar to this.

 

[tornado examiner]

tbh, damage wise, I think it's not weaker than any tornado in plain since Moore 2013. It's pretty interesting to me that why the tds height of this tornado was that low(6-7kft). I can't think of any case similar to this.

It had such an unassuming radar presentation yet it produced extremely rare violent damage feats

 

[KCweatherboy]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's a QRT and what's the implications of this?

A QRT is usually needed to confirm/analyze violent tornado damage and take ratings above an EF3-level.

This is kind of making me think they may slap a high-end EF3 rating on it and call it a day, which would be quite unfortunate for science.

 

[Shakespeare 2016]

A QRT is usually needed to confirm/analyze violent tornado damage and take ratings above an EF3-level.

This is kind of making me think they may slap a high-end EF3 rating on it and call it a day, which would be quite unfortunate for science.

I guess I wouldn't be too surprised.

 

[tornado examiner]

A QRT is usually needed to confirm/analyze violent tornado damage and take ratings above an EF3-level.

This is kind of making me think they may slap a high-end EF3 rating on it and call it a day, which would be quite unfortunate for science.

Not nessecarily…both rolling fork and keota were rating appropriately without a qrt im pretty sure

 

[jiharris0220]

In the absolutely ludicrous chance that the survey teams just ends up slapping the dreaded high end ef3 label like they’ve had with many other Texas tornadoes, (ahem, canton) then this would probably end up being the most egregious case since you know what.

 

[KCweatherboy]

Not nessecarily…both rolling fork and keota were rating appropriately without a qrt im pretty sure

Oh, I didn't know that. So there is still hope it gets done correctly then!

 

[tornado examiner]

In the absolutely ludicrous chance that the survey teams just ends up slapping the dreaded high end ef3 label like they’ve had with many other Texas tornadoes, (ahem, canton) then this would probably end up being the most egregious case since you know what.

Unless you mean canton then idk what lol…

 

[TH2002]

Unless you mean canton then idk what lol…

As far as surveys overall go, one word: Vilonia

Although the 2006 Westminster "F3" would draw immediate parallels...

 

[tornado examiner]

As far as surveys overall go, one word: Vilonia

Although the 2006 Westminster "F3" would draw immediate parallels...

Ah yes.

 

[buckeye05]

The lack of QRT is making me nervous though. Already bracing for a botched survey where they go with the absolute minimum windspeed that the structures could have conceivably failed at, while ignoring all the contextual damage that is screaming "high-end violent tornado".

Imagine if this thing gets rated EF3, with Caviness and Clarksville from last year being rated EF4, despite one of those two being based on a single house that wasn't even anchor bolted. I'm probably letting cynicism get the best of me, but sometimes I just have no faith in the people who are supposed to be the experts.

 

[tornado examiner]

The lack of QRT is making me nervous though. Already bracing for a botched survey where they go with the absolute minimum windspeed that the structures could have conceivably failed at, while ignoring all the contextual damage that is screaming "high-end violent tornado".

Imagine if this thing gets rated EF3, with Caviness and Clarksville from last year being rated EF4, despite one of those two being based on a single house that wasn't even anchor bolted. I'm probably letting cynicism get the best of me, but sometimes I just have no faith in the people who are supposed to be the experts.

If only all survey offices were like nws Jackson. (Cough, rolling fork is the very best survey of a violent city destroying tornado since Moore, cough)