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Severe WX Severe Weather Threat 3/14-3/16

I will say this, this one was going to make a hell of an attempt, and is probably the closest we’ve seen modeled to one of those. But like you said, everything has to go perfect, and it didn’t yesterday
I think we should wait to see the tornado ratings from this event before calling it anything - definitely wasn’t a “super” outbreak but it may have come close, depending on how many tornadoes are rated highly. I genuinely believe a lot of the tornadoes between both days had significant/violent potential to them, especially those late Friday night and very early Saturday morning.
 
I think we should wait to see the tornado ratings from this event before calling it anything - definitely wasn’t a “super” outbreak but it may have come close, depending on how many tornadoes are rated highly. I genuinely believe a lot of the tornadoes between both days had significant/violent potential to them, especially those late Friday night and very early Saturday morning.
Doubt It beats 3/31. That was a record for 24 hours. Although with 22 fatalities, and March 31 had 26.
 
Every time there’s an outbreak it seems James spann is personally attacked if tornadoes don’t cause apocalyptic destruction. I think there’s some disconnect with how rare super outbreaks are with the general public. If someone’s town didn’t get hit they think it was hyperbole. I don’t get it.
 
I didn’t say it loudly much but I was not expecting 4/27. That is a very rare ceiling to meet and hope we never see a year like 2011 again. I was 50/50 for this event until the end, usually am! Lol. Been following outbreaks since I was a kid and I’m no expert but I have seen busts and also surprise outbreaks.
Well said. That event, April 27th, had an incredibly large cap on it preventing any shower development like we saw yesterday. Not to mention, having the ingredients in place to make a "loaded gun" scenario where a line of super cellular storms exploded and rotated violently in a heartbeat. In my opinion, it wouldn't be surprising if we still don't see another April 27th in the next decade plus.
 
Well said. That event, April 27th, had an incredibly large cap on it preventing any shower development like we saw yesterday. Not to mention, having the ingredients in place to make a "loaded gun" scenario where a line of super cellular storms exploded and rotated violently in a heartbeat. In my opinion, it wouldn't be surprising if we still don't see another April 27th in the next decade plus.
Yes indeed. Rare setup for the south.
 
March 31, 2023, was in my opinion the closest so far we’ve been to having another April 27 or an April 3. Multiple, long track tornadoes throughout the whole day and no real limitations preventing the outbreak once it got going.
The storm modes were a bit different actually. 4/27 & especially 4/3/74 featured very widely spaced discrete supercells. Similar to what you saw on the 3/31 southern region, except more numerous and over a wider area. While 3/31’s northern mode contained quasi-discrete elements, it quickly congealed into a line and that major QLCS accounted for a lot of the tornados that were counted. Similar to how the overnight QLCS helped up the numbers for 4/27/11
 
The storm modes were a bit different actually. 4/27 & especially 4/3/74 featured very widely spaced discrete supercells. Similar to what you saw on the 3/31 southern region, except more numerous and over a wider area. While 3/31’s northern mode contained quasi-discrete elements, it quickly congealed into a line and that major QLCS accounted for a lot of the tornados that were counted. Similar to how the overnight QLCS helped up the numbers for 4/27/11
Goes to show how rare it is to get widely spaced supercells. Though Friday night was an example a bit.
 
Seconded - and those of you who I see ALL the time in here <cough cough> have very little excuse to not be sustaining members. Cheaper than going to Starbucks once a month.

Yeah you've got a point. I've been here since '08. I guess I oughta start contributing LOL
 
Goes to show how rare it is to get widely spaced supercells. Though Friday night was an example a bit.
Yeah, it’s very hard to get a perfect storm mode set up like that and requires multiple storms firing at different locations out in the OWS vs each coming off the forcing from a surface boundary. Very difficult to get. Palm Sunday 1965 would be another good example.

I will say, the closest thing I’ve seen to Friday’s set up of cells like that would probably be 5/24/2011. That was a really good example of storms firing, but moving in a direction that they didn’t run into each other or be disrupted by outflow
 
Not a lot of long tracked tornadoes yesterday? A lot of intense ones after the MS ones but not on ground long.
Yes, that’s a good point. I think both Friday and Yesterday were highly cyclic. The strong shear meant the mid level mesocyclones were obviously strong but I noticed the RFDs were often quite unstable, in some cases positioned behind the FFD of the supercell which resulted in numerous tornadoes, each strong, from most of the supercells. As opposed to a day like 12/10 where your supercells were extremely stable and long tracked. The observed sound from LIX at 18z yesterday in fact was very plains like I thought, with the classic sickle shape.
 
I’m also not going to even get into discussing comparing large outbreaks like this to those pre-EF scale. Especially early-mid 20th century events when ratings were determined by a team of people looking at newspaper clippings of damage. It’s straight up apples to oranges and not even worth trying to compare anymore
 
March 31, 2023, was in my opinion the closest so far we’ve been to having another April 27 or an April 3. Multiple, long track tornadoes throughout the whole day and no real limitations preventing the outbreak once it got going.

Except there was that pesky whatever-it-was (general consensus seems to be a series of destructive mergers) that prevented that long-track supercell across central Illinois from a significant tornado-producer. And the excessive forcing in the northern mode that made the Keota cell essentially a one-off in terms of cyclic tornadic supercells up there (before it and everything else got gobbled up by QLCS).

We like to say nature doesn't have a calendar and a "generational" outbreak can happen any time, but there's a reason they're as rare as they are. Everything has to go absolutely perfect for a setup to go as completely off the chains as those two did.
 
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